My 5-Lug plans (um, back to 4-lug!)

November 10, 2007, 05:51:18 PM

I photoshopped the below wheels on my car and I like the way they look (ARE Rebel):

So I went to order them from Summit - they only had 3. Worst part? They are discontinued in 4-lug and I can't find a 4th anywhere

This was the only 4-lug wheel I liked. It appears that I need to go to 5-lug for choices.

Looks like the consensus to convert to 5-lug is:

Front: OEM: MKVII/'84-'86 SVO rotors. Performance: Powerslot 8118 or plug, drill & restud my almost new slotted & dimpled rotors

Rear: Drill & restud 31 spline axles, redrill rotors.

Moser will do all the mods. Does this plan seem reasonable? Does anyone offer TC rotors that can be drilled for 5-lug when ordering?

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Reply #1 – November 10, 2007, 07:40:35 PM

I mentioned this in another thread and this is my plan, Sn95 Mustangs (94-98) have the best braking system short of Brembo that will work on our cars.

Find the spindles, rotors, calipers, caliper brackets, and flex lines from a 94-98 V6 car. You will need to get an adapter on the passenger side hard line to fit the SN95 flex line. 96-98 V8 cars had +6mm of offset on the spindles and will usually work well on fox cars. Using the Sn95 stuff will allow you to upgrade to Cobra 13" brakes in the future with ease.

For the rear, find a V6 7.5" rear complete with brakes. Take the calipers, claiper brackets, anti-moan brackets, and axles from it and s the housing.

You may want to grab the booster, prop valve, e-brake cables, and the master cylinder from the same car.

EDIT- I just saw you have the TC rear with discs already. Just grab the axles and rotors from the Mustang and drop them in.

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Reply #2 – November 11, 2007, 03:40:51 AM

the wheels look go in the picture hoodluck with the project.

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Reply #3 – November 11, 2007, 11:06:33 AM

Quote from: Cougar5.0;186953

Looks like the consensus to convert to 5-lug is:

Front: OEM: MKVII/'84-'86 SVO rotors. Performance: Powerslot 8118 or plug, drill & restud my almost new slotted & dimpled rotors

Rear: Drill & restud 31 spline axles, redrill rotors.

Moser will do all the mods. Does this plan seem reasonable? Does anyone offer TC rotors that can be drilled for 5-lug when ordering?

Considering the work you put into the front spindles and the parts you have in the rear I would say that's good game plan. Although I would prolly try to sell the Powerslot 4-Lug rotors and buy some 5-Lug versions. Is Moser doing those mods as well? I guess that's pretty much up to you then.

I do remember someone over on NATO using some Mazda rotors for 5-Lug TC rear. I'll see if I can find the thread...

FOUND IT! :D
http://natomessageboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=019588#000002

BTW, I like those wheels on your Cat.

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Reply #4 – November 11, 2007, 11:23:00 AM

Quote from: Ether947;187011

Considering the work you put into the front spindles and the parts you have in the rear I would say that's good game plan. Although I would prolly try to sell the Powerslot 4-Lug rotors and buy some 5-Lug versions. Is Moser doing those mods as well? I guess that's pretty much up to you then.

I do remember someone over on NATO using some Mazda rotors for 5-Lug TC rear. I'll see if I can find the thread...

FOUND IT! :D
http://natomessageboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=019588#000002

BTW, I like those wheels on your Cat.

I thought about selling the old front rotors - I wonder what the resale value is on used rotors?

Great find on the Mazda rotors! That looks simple enough. I also did some research and found a place selling rotors drilled for 4 & 5 lug

they say '79-'93, but I am pretty sure this assumes conversion to TC brakes as they are vented and 10.25" diameter. Oh, here is the link http://discbrakesrus.com/make/ford/brakerotorsrear.htm

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Reply #5 – November 11, 2007, 06:24:03 PM

wow, those look kind of trippy...

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Reply #6 – November 11, 2007, 06:28:17 PM

Quote from: Cougar5.0;187015

I also did some research and found a place selling rotors drilled for 4 & 5 lug

they say '79-'93, but I am pretty sure this assumes conversion to TC brakes as they are vented and 10.25" diameter. Oh, here is the link http://discbrakesrus.com/make/ford/brakerotorsrear.htm

I wonder if the offset lug stud holes would cause a noticeable vibration? (not really a concern I suppose, just idle curiousity

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Reply #7 – November 11, 2007, 08:49:49 PM

The best way to convert to 5 lug in the frot is SN95 spindles. it really opens up your options of what to use for a 5 lug wheel. If you choose the early lincoln rotors, you will have clearance problems with center caps.

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Reply #8 – November 11, 2007, 10:29:38 PM

Quote from: Drewstang;186968

I mentioned this in another thread and this is my plan, Sn95 Mustangs (94-98) have the best braking system short of Brembo that will work on our cars.

Actually, the 99+ (V6/GT) brakes are superior to the 94-98 brakes, due to the better calipers

99-04 - Aluminum
94-98 - Steel

99-04 - Twin piston
94-98 - Single piston

IMO, if you go to V6/GT brakes - go directly to 99+ and get the best bang for you buck.

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Reply #9 – November 12, 2007, 12:28:12 AM

Quote from: Punisher;187086

The best way to convert to 5 lug in the frot is SN95 spindles. it really opens up your options of what to use for a 5 lug wheel. If you choose the early lincoln rotors, you will have clearance problems with center caps.

Explain the clearance issues - any particular wheels that have known issues with center cap interference? I just machined the Fox spindles & installed with new "3075-D" Cobra A-arms & new tie rods & new rotors. Isn't there an issue with tie-rod length with SN95 spindles IIRC? If the spindles kick the wheels out some and the rotors also add to the offset, what is the new offset required with an SN95 setup? You're throwing a major mathematical monkey wrench into the hours and hours of research I've done looking into 4 & 5 lug rims with ~25mm offset.

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Reply #10 – November 12, 2007, 06:52:34 AM

Quote from: Cougar5.0;187133

Explain the clearance issues - any particular wheels that have known issues with center cap interference?

If the center cap is an issue you may be able to dimple (read: flatten) the dust cap and maybe modify the center cap itself to get it to fit. Cobra Rs, Mach 1 and Bullitt Wheels all have that issue. Cougarman has a remedy as well to get that style wheel to fit Mark VII/SVO style rotors. Maybe he will chime in.

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Reply #11 – November 12, 2007, 06:57:30 AM

Quote from: JeremyB;187111

Actually, the 99+ (V6/GT) brakes are superior to the 94-98 brakes, due to the better calipers

99-04 - Aluminum
94-98 - Steel

99-04 - Twin piston
94-98 - Single piston

IMO, if you go to V6/GT brakes - go directly to 99+ and get the best bang for you buck.

+1 - 11-inch PBRs are awesome. I was skeptical at first but no more. Good "throw an unruly passenger through the windshield" brakes. :D

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Reply #12 – November 12, 2007, 07:20:56 AM

Quote from: Punisher;187086

The best way to convert to 5 lug in the frot is SN95 spindles. it really opens up your options of what to use for a 5 lug wheel. If you choose the early lincoln rotors, you will have clearance problems with center caps.

Been there, done that with the MKVII rotors and spindles. It kinda sucks too. The bearing caps stick out to far

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Reply #13 – November 12, 2007, 08:43:00 AM

Quote from: JeremyB;187111

Actually, the 99+ (V6/GT) brakes are superior to the 94-98 brakes, due to the better calipers

99-04 - Aluminum
94-98 - Steel

99-04 - Twin piston
94-98 - Single piston

IMO, if you go to V6/GT brakes - go directly to 99+ and get the best bang for you buck.

I usually suggest the 94-98 brakes because of the increased offset of the 99+ spindles. It can cause some issues when used on Fox Mustangs or 83-86 Birds and Cats. 87-88 Might not have the same problems.

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Reply #14 – November 12, 2007, 09:44:08 AM

Quote from: Drewstang;187164

I usually suggest the 94-98 brakes because of the increased offset of the 99+ spindles. It can cause some issues when used on Fox Mustangs or 83-86 Birds and Cats. 87-88 Might not have the same problems.

Then use the early spindles with the later brakes....