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My 5-Lug plans (um, back to 4-lug!)

Reply #15
Quote from: Chuck W;187172
Then use the early spindles with the later brakes....


Then you must grind on the spindles to clear the caliper bracket, as there are some minor differences between the 94-98 style and 99+. This wouldn't be an issue for anyone who had the tools to grind, but for those with basic tools its much easier just to bolt up, bleed, and go.

EDIT- IMO this is the best site for Fox brake upgrades, skip the ads. http://sn95brakes.cjb.net/

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Reply #16
I'm aware of the differences.

Takes all of 5 minutes....

It's also something that can be done without having the car all in pieces.  It can be done before you even get ready to install. 
If I didn't have the tools on hand, I sure as hell would find some way to grind off the little bit that needed to be done and use the good calipers instead of using the older stuff.  I'd use a file if I had to even.

Again, I stand by my statement...older spindles (94-95 are "better" for the Foxes in general) with the newer calipers.


Quote from: Drewstang;187173
Then you must grind on the spindles to clear the caliper bracket, as there are some minor differences between the 94-98 style and 99+. This wouldn't be an issue for anyone who had the tools to grind, but for those with basic tools its much easier just to bolt up, bleed, and go.

EDIT- IMO this is the best site for Fox brake upgrades, skip the ads. http://sn95brakes.cjb.net/
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Reply #17
Quote from: Cougar5.0;187133
Explain the clearance issues - any particular wheels that have known issues with center cap interference? I just machined the Fox spindles & installed with new "3075-D" Cobra A-arms & new tie rods & new rotors. Isn't there an issue with tie-rod length with SN95 spindles IIRC? If the spindles kick the wheels out some and the rotors also add to the offset, what is the new offset required with an SN95 setup? You're throwing a major mathematical monkey wrench into the hours and hours of research I've done looking into 4 & 5 lug rims with ~25mm offset.


the 1998 or 1999 Cobra wheel or the 17" 'Split 5-Spoke' wheel will not work because the dust cap sticks out too far.  I would just do the entire spindle swap because it gives the car better steering geometry.

I like what the other guy is saying though about the 99-up calipers though, they might work better.

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Reply #18
A grinder is what? $20. If someone can't afford that then prolly shouldn't be doing a SN-95 front brake swap eh? :)

When's the last time you took apart the front brakes with "basic tools"? I attempted it once or twice... ended up with a bunch of busted sockets. lol.

And for the record my 96-98 SN-95 spindles required grinding for the PBR dual piston calipers.
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Reply #19
Quote from: Ether947;187223
A grinder is what? $20. If someone can't afford that then prolly shouldn't be doing a SN-95 front brake swap eh? :)

When's the last time you took apart the front brakes with "basic tools"? I attempted it once or twice... ended up with a bunch of busted sockets. lol.

And for the record my 96-98 SN-95 spindles required grinding for the PBR dual piston calipers.


True a grinder is cheap, but the thought of grinding on newly purchased usually not cheap spindles might not sound like fun to some.

How do you break sockets while working on the brakes?

Yup, 94-98 spindles will need to be ground for 99+ caliper bracket clearance.

Quote from: Chuck W
I'm aware of the differences.

The OP might not be, thats why I posted.


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Reply #21
Quote from: Ether947;187223

When's the last time you took apart the front brakes with "basic tools"? I attempted it once or twice... ended up with a bunch of busted sockets. lol.



Ive never had problems breaking tools on front breaks....What kind of sockets are you using that break that easy???  get some craftsman stuff...or better yet, snap-on.


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Reply #23
I just finished the 11" brake upgrade and new control arms a few weeks ago - this discussion is getting to a place where I didn't want to go - ed wheels. I'm also a bit reticent about not being able to show the car as a 20th any more as the gold turbines are part of the deal. I smacked my head off the visor just for fun yesterday, I'm not sure how much better the brakes need to be! OTOH, if the wheels don't fit, then you must give me shiznit. I only care if the wheels above fit actually.
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Reply #24
Quote from: Punisher;187252
Ive never had problems breaking tools on front breaks....What kind of sockets are you using that break that easy???  get some craftsman stuff...or better yet, snap-on.

Craftsman - On the struts. Yes I used penetrating oil. They are pretty easy to break (especially the newer stuff). If it wasn't for the return policy I'd prolly go with something else. And least for the big stuff.

Quote from: Cougar5.0;187277
I just finished the 11" brake upgrade and new control arms a few weeks ago - this discussion is getting to a place where I didn't want to go - ed wheels. I'm also a bit reticent about not being able to show the car as a 20th any more as the gold turbines are part of the deal. I smacked my head off the visor just for fun yesterday, I'm not sure how much better the brakes need to be! OTOH, if the wheels don't fit, then you must give me shiznit. I only care if the wheels above fit actually.

I know you just finished the upgrade which is why I didn't bring up any of the SN-95 stuff. I am not aware of anyone running those wheels period let alone on Fox Brakes 5-Lug. But IMO if the 4-Lug centers will fit (do they fit???) without issue I don't see why 5-Lug versions wouldn't.

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Reply #25
jus curious. have you called the wheel manufacture to see if they can locate a 4th wheel?
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Reply #26
Quote from: gumby;187398
jus curious. have you called the wheel manufacture to see if they can locate a 4th wheel?


Good call - I've emailed all the known vendors and emailed the manufacturer directly, but I will be calling them today or tomorrow as 90% of my emails are ignored by companies I send them to. They really need to remove the "Contact Us" sections as all it does is make me angry at the company for not answering my questions.
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Reply #27
Quote from: Cougar5.0;187399
Good call - I've emailed all the known vendors and emailed the manufacturer directly, but I will be calling them today or tomorrow as 90% of my emails are ignored by companies I send them to. They really need to remove the "Contact Us" sections as all it does is make me angry at the company for not answering my questions.


I'm assuming you are wanting the Chrome Rebel, part # 699-7934.
I called American Racing and they said they have two left. One in their Charlotte warehouse and one in a warehouse in California.

Seeing that the 4-lug version of that wheel has not been in American's catalog since 2004 and is being discounted by Summit, make sure that they will take them back if for some reason you aren't satisfied. It's quite possible that one of the three Summit has or one of the two left in American's system could arrive with a scratch or two on them especially if they have been sitting in a warehouse for nearly 4 years.

Order the 4th wheel from a local American Racing dealer to get your set of 4.

Brent
:cougarsmily:
1985 Mercury Cougar XR-7 - 5-speed 
One of 1,246 built

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Reply #28
Quote from: Ether947;187397
Craftsman - On the struts. Yes I used penetrating oil. They are pretty easy to break (especially the newer stuff). If it wasn't for the return policy I'd prolly go with something else. And least for the big stuff.




Yeah, than Snap-on FTW.

cant go wrong with good tools!!!!!:hick:

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Reply #29
Quote from: BCA;187412
I'm assuming you are wanting the Chrome Rebel, part # 699-7934.
I called American Racing and they said they have two left. One in their Charlotte warehouse and one in a warehouse in California.

Seeing that the 4-lug version of that wheel has not been in American's catalog since 2004 and is being discounted by Summit, make sure that they will take them back if for some reason you aren't satisfied. It's quite possible that one of the three Summit has or one of the two left in American's system could arrive with a scratch or two on them especially if they have been sitting in a warehouse for nearly 4 years.

Order the 4th wheel from a local American Racing dealer to get your set of 4.

Brent
:cougarsmily:


Wow - you are amazing. Looks like I need to make some calls tomorrow and make a decision! Thanks a lot!
11.96 @ 118 MPH old 306 KB; 428W coming soon.