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Messages - 87merc

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User Rides / The CP autox bird
This car makes me want to cut my own face off. I'm such a failure at being a car enthusiast...

Seriously man, beautiful.
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Engine Tech / cam opinions...
Tfs1 all the way. I had an E cam in my 89 gt and after I sold the chassis my friend tommy bought the motor and swapped the cam for a TFS1. The 93gt he has it in surely pulls harder than my gt and sounds much better. He seems to be very happy with it.
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Drivetrain Tech / T5 or built C4?
You're right Tom, I was out of line with my smart a** comment. I apologize. Just to clear things up, the transmission I have is a non-electronic AOD with a 1" longer tailshaft and output shaft. Thank you for helping me with my decision. If I had the money I would go with a built T5 or TKO, but for now a second-hand aod with a few mods will have to suffice.
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Drivetrain Tech / What The...
Quote from: TOM Renzo;365546
Thunder Chraftmen tools are JUNK. When you make your living turning wrenches you have to have the best

MAC
Snap ON
Matco


This^^

I had a 3/8 armstrong ratchet that made my craftsmen feel like total garbage. You truly get what you pay for when it comes to tools. I snapped a kobalt 12mm wrench with a cheater bar trying to remove a driveshaft on one of my mustangs. Impact socket with swivel extension ftw
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Drivetrain Tech / T5 or built C4?
Quote from: TOM Renzo;365028
. You asked about an OD or 5 speeder and now you are looking for or actually have an AOD-E electronic tranny you want to use. With limited highway use as you posted and 50 miles of driving a week. YOU HAVE ME CONFUSED and i do not know what you are trying to DO  HONESTLY Thanks
Just curious what is your final drive GEAR RATIO??? I know you want the OD for highway trips as yo stated but i am still Confused as to your actual setup you plan on building???


This entire post was about durability vs. practicality. IF I would decide down the road to drive the car more, I wouldn't want to be intimadated by the low economy of a non-OD trans. That is where my desire for OD comes in.

The only mention I made of ANY electronic transmission (be it AODE or 4r70w), was the fact that the tailshafts are swappable between all AOD type cases.

My final drive ratio will be no lower than 3.73, and I'll just be running an HO motor with an E cam, headers, ported E7's, RR's, and a 650 carb.

I know you're more intelligent than myself Sir, but if you'd read each post more carefully, you might not be so confused. Thank you for your input.
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Body/Appearance/Interior / 85 cougar front end on an 87?
Ah I see now. To be honest, I'd rather go through all the trouble and change everything just to have the high output and the look of the 4-eyes. My aero housings are so foggy that I'd rather do the switch than search for outrageous new housings.
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Body/Appearance/Interior / 85 cougar front end on an 87?
I'm not diggin' the aero headlight front end on my 87 cougar, is it possible to swap an older 4-eye front end onto my 87?

Assuming that its possible, will it even look alright? Or just look like a cougar grab-bag? I'm prepared to even swap fenders if I have to.
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Drivetrain Tech / T5 or built C4?
Ah I am wrong. All of the aod/e/4r70w tailshafts are swappable, but the mark vii output shaft is the critical piece @ 1" longer. I can swap the tailshaft with my cougar's stock tail, but then my stock driveshaft slipyoke *might* bottom out on the mark vii output shaft when the suspension is fully compressed.

Seems like I'll be getting my driveshaft shortened after all...
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Drivetrain Tech / T5 or built C4?
Quote from: thunderjet302;364932

Oh and the Mark VII AOD is longer than the Mustang/T-bird AOD. To run it you'll need to have your driveshaft shortened.


OH, I was under impression I could swap tailshafts. maybe I'm wrong.
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Lounge / All the "cheap" Fox Thunderbirds and Cougars are gone.
I agree. It seems any fox chassis'd car in presentable condition is outragously priced. I got my 87 cougar for $550, but it has sun spots on the hood and trunk, a filthy interior, as well as a faulty fuel pump.
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Drivetrain Tech / T5 or built C4?
I forgot to mention that my aod will recieve all the proper valvebody/clutch upgrades before I ever install it. Now hopefully I can find a good used converter in bowling green this october at the nmra finals.
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Drivetrain Tech / T5 or built C4?
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;364885
Last I knew, an AOD had 4 forward speeds...

Comparing a 'Glide to an AOD is apples to bull balls. A 2 speed vs a 4 speed. Yeah, the AOD is big and heavy. It also has more gears, so the powerglide isn't an option for a street car. With that said, I again reiterate: there's folks here with mildly modded AODs and 300+ horsepower....it takes money to run fast...if I needed an auto trans, I wouldn't downgrade to a C4, let alone the 'glide...I'd pony up and get the beefed AOD. And not everyone has a raging hard-on for a T5 either....same thing: I'd ante up for a TKO or even a T56 if I HAD to have more power handling capability AND the money to purchase said TKO or T56...

Talk to me about weak factory 4 speed auto trannies....what's your thoughts on your favorite automaker's own 700R4? Not much (if any at all) better than a stock AOD. I've got one in my '88 K1500, yearly fluid and filter changes, and so far, knock on wood, it's still strong and shifting good...but nothing lasts forever.

Also, the Tbird/Cougar AOD has less clutches than the Stang's AOD...just food for thought.
My thoughts are this, personally, it's not worth it to swap in the pedals, clutch cable, and related parts to gain a gear. Unless it's what you're dying to do and your AOD is about to shiznit the bed.


A lot of us aren't wealthy, professional BBC chevy builders, so we make do with what we have. Whether it's a mostly stock AOD with a shift kit, or a T5 with carbon blocker rings...it's all the same. Money talks, and bullshiznit walks.

Cheers :)

 

Well said. My brother just hooked me up with a mark vii aod, which is said to be the best car aod made. I'm going to have to agree with the majority here and say that an aod is my best bet. I can say that my brother built his aod for around $1k (including converter), and his car hauls balls and shifts like a mofookie.
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Drivetrain Tech / T5 or built C4?
I think I have to agree with you randy. It was my belief that the aod was a worthless piece of junk, simply because I've heard horror stories of them burning up behind stock mustang motors. However I spoke with my brother today, who is a strong advocate of the aod, and he convinced me that an aod can be upgraded to handle an impressive amount of power with just a shift kit, servo, and alto red clutches/koleen steels.

I don't know why I never realized it, but he uses an aod in his 89 lx mustang which has a 331 stroker. He said he's never had a problem and he runs 11.40's all day with a trans he put together in his kitchen.
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Drivetrain Tech / T5 or built C4?
Yeah I think you're right. I've already got a c4, and I really didn't want to go through the trouble of swapping a t5, but that looks like the only plausible choice.

I guess I'll just have to deal with the weak t5, I'll just baby it when I add nitrous to the mix.