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My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #15 –
TC brakes are fine with me, still an upgrade from the ones I have now. I also think the booster and MC need to changed since they are a couple of the only parts left that were installed by Ford many years ago.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..
 

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #16 –
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;448760
How this is possible??? If  to  is same, axles have to be same length(I am assuming width of carrier inside rearend is same width)...

With length of housings varying, what's different is measurement from bearing surface to axle ... A larger space is necessary to fit the the brackets and calipers vs backing plate & brake shoes...

AFAIK the five lug SN95 axles are same as TC..



I would guess the 'Bird 7.5 axles physically sit deeper into the 7.5 housing as the  to  on that (and the '94-'98 Stang 7.5/8.8) are 61".

The Bird 7.5 housing is 55.6", while the 8.8 is 54.1", according to the chart posted in the driveline section..

The spline-to- measure on the bird 7.5 axle is 29.91", and that dimension on the SN95 axle (both 7.5 and 8.8) is 29.97 inches.

Therefor, it's my belief that using a Sport drum, backing plate, Mustang/TC 8.8, and TC axles *ought* to be dimensionally feasible to put together and work. But I've been wrong before. Like I said earlier, I'll mock it up tomorrow and eyeball it.

I'll see if I can find the axle chart, I've got the .pdf saved on the computer, but I think the "deciphering Fox axles" thread (stickied?) will have a link to that document as well...
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #17 –
I may just start looking for TC rear brake parts, that way, there is no question that they will work, as my rear diff. came from an '88 TC. SO, my plan....full TC brakes front and rear. Easy.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #18 –
Some Taurus's have the rear calipers that are the same as tc's. Here's a pic of one.X
Old Grey Cat to this.88 Cat, 5.0 HO, CW mounts, mass air, CI custom cam, afr165's, Tmoss worked cobra intake, BBK shorty's,off road h pipe, magnaflow ex. T-5,spec stage 2 clutch, 8.8 373 TC trac loc, che ajustables with bullits on the rear. 11" brakes up front. +

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #19 –
There's a V-8 Taurus SHO at the local boneyard. I'll check it.

I gotta find out where to get my parts. I need mounting plates, calipers, fasteners, rotors.....everything.

I will just start sourcing parts for a Turbo Coupe. If I can find reman. calipers cheap enough, I'll start collecting those and try to get the mounting plates and spindles and such here on the forum.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #20 –
Those Varga calipers...every one that I've ever seen in a junkyard have been seized...I'd definitely use new or remanned calipers. I'd not be afraid to reuse a rotor, but I'd sure check it, and have it turned if need be. Usually rear rotors don't get hot spotted like fronts unless the caliper IS seized and causes it to drag...


Then again, you could sell your wheels, find the exact same set in 5 lug, swap to the "better" front end, and then run the '99-'04 PBR calipers....want to talk about something that stops pretty good...of course there are Cobra brakes that follow, and they're even better. And much more dinero.

I've got the dual piston jobs on the stanger....love 'em. With the Nitto rubber, you stomp the whoa pedal, and she starts dropping speed like an egg hitting the ground. Now. LOL


I'll look for those spindles here in a few...going to be hot today, so I'm gonna get on it shortly. :)
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #21 –
I have really never paid a lot of attention to the 5 lug swap. Never put any thought into it. Is it a huge ordeal?
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #22 –
Actually, I think it's no worse than an 11" brake conversion, and you get the bennies of more wheel selections, brakes, and better stopping ability.

I've got a spare set of '94-95 spindles...hadn't really planned to sell them, but if you wanted to go 5 lug, I'd work with you. Grab a pair of SN95 axles and the brakes from that rear, the spindles, the rotor (the hub is separate, it typically stays with the spindle, and of course the Weatherhead 7828 adapter fitting for the passenger side brake line to flex hose, and also, the flex hoses are caliper specific...whether you will use the stock SN95 calipers or do as I did and go to the '99-04 calipers, you'll want to order the flex lines for the calipers you'll use.

One little thing, if you use the PBR calipers, you'll need to grind a little spot off of each spindle...nothing major, if you have a right angle grinder and a cutoff wheel, it's about a 5 second job. Mock the caliper and spindle up together, and you'll see where it needs a light buzz, take it down a wee bit, and then clean it up and paint. Good to go.


I feel it's worth it. You have the Anniversary wheels though, right? If those are out of production you might not be able to find them now.


Either way you go, I've got you covered on spindles, and if Gary wants the TC rear I have but in 4 lug, I have a pair of axles for you too. I'm not so keen on the specifics of the rear disc brakes...I've never really dove into them, other than to pull a few sets of axles from Sn95 cars...

If you can find axles locally, 7.5 and 8.8 SN95 axles are identical and all are 28 spline, and the proper length for an 8.8 in a '86-'88 Tbird/Cougar.
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #23 –
I'd like to work a deal with you on them. I may go 5 lug. My wheels are the deep and deeper Cobra R wheels with the rivets around the perimeter. I could gather wheels over time, then sell mine later.

Beau, can you PM me a detailed list of that stuff I need and from what years of cars? I will look locally and see what I can find. I am guessing that V-6 and V-8 cars shared the same front spindles.

I gota sell my Mass Air computer and meter for some funds. Gotta shoot Kitz money as well.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #24 –
I gotta find the differences between the SN-95 7.5 rear and 8.8 as far as gathering the parts I need. If the 7.5 rear from one of those cars is wider, like they are in our cars, I'd need to find V-8 parts for the rear.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #25 –
PM sent :)
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #26 –
You might not need the adaptor
With my 87 TC the stock 03/04 cobra brake lines bolted right into the factory lines. I don't think the thread are different reg sn95 vs cobra
1987 T-Bird TC: 5-Spd, 5-lug conv., CHE Rear CAs, '04 Cobra wheels and 13" Brakes, Vac Assist conv: '93 Cobra BB/MC & Wilwood PV, Gutted/Knived Intakes, T3 turbo, RFE6 Mani, Stinger 3" Exhaust & Oil Feed, 255HP Walbro, Kirban AFPR, RR Cam, Esslinger Cam gear and Round Tooth Conv., Gillis Boost Valve, Speedway Dual Valve Spring,  K&N, 130a 3g Alt conv., 140mph Speedo
Running Better Than Ever :burnout:

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #27 –
The TC probably has fittings like the Mustang GT. Mine are Sport Thunderbird lines, meaning....same as the V-6 junk.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #28 –
I had to use the fitting on my Sport, and my 2.3 Stanger. Never messed with a TC, but Vinnie's likely correct. Seems like when I put the Fox 11" brakes on my white car back in 2005 I had to use that fitting then too. , that seems forever ago...

Here I go, getting all nostalgic..quite unlike me...not..
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

My "bigger and slightly better brakes" idea

Reply #29 –
Quote from: vinnietbird;448786
The TC probably has fittings like the Mustang GT. Mine are Sport Thunderbird lines, meaning....same as the V-6 junk.

Ahh didn't think about that
1987 T-Bird TC: 5-Spd, 5-lug conv., CHE Rear CAs, '04 Cobra wheels and 13" Brakes, Vac Assist conv: '93 Cobra BB/MC & Wilwood PV, Gutted/Knived Intakes, T3 turbo, RFE6 Mani, Stinger 3" Exhaust & Oil Feed, 255HP Walbro, Kirban AFPR, RR Cam, Esslinger Cam gear and Round Tooth Conv., Gillis Boost Valve, Speedway Dual Valve Spring,  K&N, 130a 3g Alt conv., 140mph Speedo
Running Better Than Ever :burnout: