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Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #135 –
86~
take all the time you need but draw a box diagram of all the wires with colors as best you can how it is wired up in your engine bay.

need that for sure

im surprised your fuse link did not blow ,, the hissing from the relay "might" have been the diode shorting out or ,, a chunk of  sizzling away.

this is interesting though, its the third time you said the car started and ran fine but from what i can tell, upon warm up, the computer is playing a roll (be it normal or not) in getting the engine to suddenly run rough.

still you can not pull any codes eh?

pls confirm the exact fuse link again,,  define it from your evtm and also post a pic


also, in the pic you posted, is your battery out of the car?

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #136 –
JAY the MSD 6 AL if that is what he has is a simple setup. You have 2 wires that hook directly to the BATTERY Black & RED. The other 4 wires are simple. One set goes to the coil plug after you remove it from the coil. The other end from the MSD has a plug that goes on the coil.  Another words you remove the coil plug from the coil. Then  Plug it in the MSD then the msd has a coil plug that plugs in to the Engines coil. Another words it is in series with the original coil wires. 

Here is how i hook them up. I remove the 2 battery leads from the unit to the battery. Then i remove the 2 connectors from the cars stock wiring and restore it as it was stock. I then grab the appropriate tool to remove however it is mounted in the car. Then i look at it and throw the PIECE OF JUNK IN THE DUMPSTER WHERE IT BELONGS!!!  Just Saying!!!
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #137 –
Jcassit,
            To be honest I forgot all about trying to retrieve the codes, I'll try again this morning. I'm going to remove the MSD box and see if maybe it has latent damage. That in itself could cause many problems. From what I have been able to figure out is it looks like fuse link "F" according to the schematic. The wire is Blk/O. Yep, no smoke, fuse link is doing fine and everything seems to be working. In the post, the battery is still there.

Tom,
      I'm glad to see you back! I know your passionate about your job and cars, that's probably why you are still reading this post. I do need your help. I did say I stayed away from automotive electrical because I don't know what the hell I'm doing. I'm not messing with anyone, I really just want to get my car running. I really can't do what ten people tell me to do, that's where thing get messed up. One thing at a time and hopefully "we'll be off to see the Wizard"! You are right...INTERMITTENT PROBLEMS ARE A BITCH!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #138 –
fuse link F goes out to the engine hood lamp only.

i looked at Trinoms 86evtm and my 87evtm,, they both are the same.

is the black org you speak of a tiny black org or a larger one?


if your talking about the fuse link F and it blew open on the small black org wire side then inspect the hood lamp for intermittant where it ventures up and into the hood on the pass side.

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #139 –
jcassity,
            It is a small wire. Really, it's most likely fuse link "L". That goes to my EEC and like someone suggested earlier, my EEC might be acting up once it gets warmed up. That's an easy fix (r & r). Mine is 26 years old and tired and they are inexpensive, so it's time to throw it in the thrash. I removed the MSD box and it's the same so the process of elimination goes on. I did check the timing with my light and it is still off. The fuse link is still good and my car starts RIGHT up. Thanks!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #140 –
The ECM just might be the issue, normally solenoids wont ground out. I am thinking it just might be a bad ECM. When it heats up or commands something on it might ground out that circuit. Basically you are at this devices mercy. And just for the record this issue is a BITCH. Reason being it is intermittent. Also the fuse at 10A is to low now. I would up it to a 20A And i would read the current draw of the circuit you are working on. Also check all wiring harnesses in the systen for chafine or rub throughs. You judt might have moved a harness and cleared the TROUBLE. Time to DIG IN AS WE SAY!!!
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #141 –
Really Tom, It's good to have you back!  I did turn the key on to "RUN" and wiggled the harness. That's when I found the problem with the relay. The reading on fuse link "L" is 12.41V (no key) and 12.0V with key on ("RUN"). From what I've seen, there are a boat load of different EEC's out there, so when I go to buy another one how do I know I have the right one? My concern is that the guy at the store didn't seem too sure himself. Thanks!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #142 –
This is my bar code off my EEC.

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #143 –
They go by the numbers. Example the E6 indicates an 86. That number will cross over to a reman no problem!!
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #144 –
I tried getting codes with key on "RUN" and with the car running, this time nothing at all.

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #145 –
If you cant pull codes you have a bad ECM. Sounds like you have an open Sig Rtn punching on the ecm.

Do THIS!!! Remove the connector from the EGR positioned. Key the car and check voltages on all 3 pins to ground. Another words hook your ground lead of your  meter to a good ground. Then check the pins with the connector removed from the sensor. Then post the results. Naturally the ECM has to be in the car and connected!!!


OR better yet check the resistance between pins 60 & 46 of the ecm with it removed from the 60 PIN CONNECTOR. What is the reading???
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #146 –
Tom,
    I know this is going to sound strange, but My #60 has NO female pin. What I did was put my red lead into the #46 (signal ground) and being #60 is ground, I just grounded it to the body. The reading I got was .002 set at 2 ohms on my meter. I also found out that on that relay I shot a picture of and was making funny noises, the wire #5 female was pushed all the way out and it will not stay in. I guess the clip that holds it is broken. I still need to know exactly what that relay is for. I plugged it in and it made no difference. Thanks!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #147 –
Try pin 40 to 46. Or do the voltage test on the EGR connector!!

Also when you do this test on the ECM do not have it hooked up to the car

This ECM is SHOT!!!



This ECM is OK!!!

I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #148 –
Tom, looks like your hooked up differently than what the schematic that was sent to me.http://www.auto-diagnostics.info/ford_eec_iv  I got .000v reading on #46 and #40. I took the connector off the EGR and it read .006v.. So, that should mean my EEC is good and I'm getting almost no voltage (key on) to my EGR...right?