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Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #150 –
What i am trying to do is guide you to why you cant get codes. Either the ALDL port has no signal return or you are not doing it correctly.


Grounding the STI lead will start self test. Seems like you are either not doing this or the SIG RTN is open.
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Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #151 –
I did a continuity test between #40 and #46 and I DO have continuity. I also check for continuity on #60 and #46 and I DO have continuity. I then went to my EGR connector and turned the key to on and I have .09v, .09v, and 5.12v. I hope that helps! When you say a voltage test I assumed you wanted me to check for voltage, not continuity, my mistake. The first test I did on the EGR connector, I tested between the black wire and the other two wires within the connector itself, again I was wrong.

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #152 –
On post #150 jcassity sent me instructions for hooking up the ALDL. I tried to use option #3 but my service light always stays on, and option #1 but it did nothing even when I started the car. The thing that really throws my is the fact that when I started the car today, the timing is still at about 4 degrees BTDC. Even with the distributor set and true top dead center is set, the timing if off. I turned down the RPM's as low as I could and it made no difference. Now the car stumbles a little right off once it's warmed up. I've never had this much trouble timing a car! Well, that's as far as I got today. Thanks!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #153 –
86 the RPM does not matter if the spout is out. When the spout is out the ECM goes neutral and does not have control of the timing. That is why i asked you previously why yo needed a TACH to set it. YOU DONT. I you have continuity on those pins your ecm should post codes ar a pass11
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Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #154 –
I didn't know that about the spout and how it effects the timing. What is :codes ar a pass11? So, do you think my EEC is good or still uncertain? I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong getting codes! I will try again in the morning.

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #156 –
Quote from: 86cougar;403300
I don't know if this is my problem, but I'm going to replace the harness as well as the relays.

 
i keep going back to your post (yes i am listening) where you show that relay.
None of the 87/88 cars had this relay there so i can make an assumption( risky ) but yet i will..... list the color codes on the wires going to the relay.

i can see them but your best to post them.

also, we really need a better picture of the fuse link sort of fanned out so to speak so we can determine the actual fuse link that blew.

also, like i said a LONG time ago,, htere are more fuse links in the wire loop that is hiddend under the battery tray.

as for timing, you were told to not time the car with the sprout installed... you were also told not to remove or replace the sprout jumper with the car running.  just fyi.

now if you can manage to get code 11, life is good for the eec.

I am interested to understand why we are discussing the diagonstic wire being faulty,, this is what i was illuding to a long while back askign you if the fuel pump relay was manipulated in any way in order to force it to power up.

if someone does not know that the EEE supplies the ground to the fuel pump relay via the tan/light green wire, and they force power or ground wrong, they will spike the eec and damage it.
the tan light green wire "T"'s off or parallels off the eec and reappears at our diagnostic connector.  like i said, it also is controlling your fuel pump relay.

If you ground the tan/light green wire on diagnostic connector then key on the car, the fuel pump should run constantly.... if the fuel pump does not.... report back.

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Reply #157 –
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;403440
He's been messing with the idle screw, NOW he needs a tach, but only once he gets it timed.

Their is no idle screw!!!! It is called a MIN idle screw and then the IAC takes OVER. Lacking a tach he can just remove the IAC lead and adjust the MIN IDLE SCREW till the thing idles at a reasonable speed. But technically this is dun with a tach. But their is enough latitude to not need one.
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #158 –
Jay the car runs so the fuel pump must be running off the ECM. Unless he has that JURY RIGGED!!! Simple test would be the TIME OUT. If you key the car and not start it 86. Does the Fuel pump run and then time out and stop??? If it does you are DUN!!!

Jay if memory serves me the FP relay is in the TRUNK I Think????
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Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #159 –
jcassit, I will do my best, the harness is worn out and most stripes are hard to tell if they were blue or purple ect.. what I see on the relay is as follows: 2ea. pink/blue, 1ea. black/yellow, 1ea. orange/blue, 1ea. red/blue. Here is a picture of the fuse link, black/orange to cluster with nut and bolt. The spices and twist nuts are to my MSD box.

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Reply #160 –
One other thing, on the top picture the top fuse link actually had two wires coming off it. I cut the burnt fuse off so I would not have a problem with it touching anything while hot. Also, as you can see the temporary fuse link is not hooked up at the time of the picture.

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #161 –
Tom, the fuel pump is not jury rigged. Yes, I can hear the relay clink on and time out.

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Reply #162 –
I went out and tried to get "codes" but nothing. Here is how I'm hooking up.

Timing a possessed Cougar.

Reply #164 –
Once the electrical issue is dealt with, I'm going to go in and solder and shrink sleeve the harness. Looks like everyone is busy this morning.