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Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #15 –
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;400139
The one we use at the shop comes from Napa.

Is this the one you are referring to Foe?  If so, $42.99 seems pretty reasonable considering the cost of shotgun troubleshooting which could be avoided.

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #16 –
That's the one. you only use about an ounce or maybe 2 of the fluid at a time, so you can use it over and over again. You can use it to help your buddies out, who knows?

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #17 –
Normally it is cold coolant butting the hot coolant. My dads old house used to do this with those old radiators. When they got air bound they used to BANG. Or you have a blown head gasket or cracked HEAD!!! Just a thought???

I always drill a small hole in the rim of the stat. If the stat has one of those silly ball bearings or bell check valves i remove them. This makes it much easier to get trapped air out of the system. Waiting for a sealed STAT to open is a pain in the AS$$. Been drilling holes in state for many many years IT WORKS GREAT!!!

I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #18 –
How many miles on the car and was it running just water instead of coolant for an extended period of time? Sounds like some symtoms of a cracked head to me, but I had similar problems with my 2000 Cherokee 4.0. Found that I had been running water instead of coolant for at least 3 years (someone hit my jeep in a parking lot head on and toasted the rad, the autobody shop put water instead of coolant in it, when I checked the coolant level it looked green but not green enough I guess). Anyways started having problems with overheating, engine missing slightly, building pressure inside the rad, intermittantly working heat, all sorts of silly querky things. The mechanice tried to tell my head was cracked and needed a remaned head. Well here it is what the water pump looked like....
 

Never seen anything like these before!!

Reply #19 –
If you are capable of removing the pump and thermostat it is worth doing to have a look, gaskets are cheap and then you can rule them out for sure, long as you don't trap air inside the system.

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #20 –
problem cured but interestingly enough, when i screw up I typically screw up pretty big.. read on an see how my screw up paid off.
been jackin with this car for a week.

10/5- towed car home
10/6- replaced leaky radiator and installed new Tstat
.......car still overheated.

i asked a few questions here , decided to move on to water pump.
..pls remember the date above where i replaced the radiator  :)


10/9, 10/10 & 10/11- spent 3 hours each evening tearing down my wonderful 2 1/2'' working area on the passanger side engine bay.
every bolt ,, and i mean every single bolt was nothing short of just taking a sigh and just simply dealing with the impossible.  Ive got 9 man hours into tear down to get to the water pump including time spend adding radiator & tstat.

10/11- I put my finger over one weep hole of the old water pump, i blow through the other weep hole and i hear air coming out around the impeller seal. BTW. the impeller on this water pump is metal welded to the shaft.  The new oem pump i have purchased is sealed so no i must have a bad water pump also.
Had the wife pick up an oem valve cover gasket.


10/12 at 8pm-start to assemble things back together from 8pm to which my conclusion of the whole episode arrived at 2pm saturday on 10/13 ,, thats 18 straight hours.
I replaced the water pump, timing belt and started the car up around 2:30 am = car still over heats.. im really lost now as to why and my mind wanders to many impossible thoughts.  compression good, block is free of blockage, tstat opens / closes, fan kicks on , burp air out of system, lower hose **EVENTUALLY** gets hot but the  thing over  heats.

At 9am on 13oct i take off to get a lower temp Tstat- Kia recommended temp is 85degC, advance sold me a 195deg tstat so im thinking maybe thats my problem.
Install 180deg tstat and car still over heats.

Take out tstat, disconnect lower rad hose, shove garden hose inside engine block and let the  water flow through block down to ground.  Water flows through block fine. 

well,, long story short............ You know when you buy a radiator they come with throw away plastic caps that are shoved inside the upper / lower radiator hose knecks?  well i forgot to take out the plastic cap that was inside the upper rad hose kneck.
My engine rejected the cap and pushed it up into the upper radiator hose but did so such that water could get by but not sufficient for proper cooling.

better yet....  if i had not had goofed up like this, i would not have been able to find that the water pump was also on its way out.  The benefit was that i got to change the water pump and timing belt.

this whole ordeal boils down to human error.

parts replaced:

Radiator
Tstat
Water pump
Timing Belt
valve cover gasket
..compression test yielded 185psi on all four cyl even up.

total hours  with this was about 30 all together.
1996 Kia Sephia 1.8L 4cyl.

Does anyone know if i am close to the qty hours the shop would be allowed to charge?  just tryin to see if i am on track or not in speed.

thanks for the advice everyone, been checkin this thread every day but could not respond due to so much going on and evey minute of every day seems to be spoken for.

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #21 –
Hey Tom, I do that to, and you are right it allows you to "be able" to remove the rad cap sooner without all the spillage.

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #22 –
In good spirt and having thick skin, im issuing myself the resident dumb ass award for this screw up per my novel above.. at least until someone else does something worse to which i will pass on the torch.

I think we need a little icon or tag on our sig showing who currently holds the award.  it would be kinda fun i think.

if one of you guys did this, id be laughing my ass off right now.

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #23 –
Hey man..it ain't a screw up if it's fixed now ;)
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #24 –
I would guess that the owner of a pro shop would have you eat the extra time and part beyond the original radiator replacement.  It would be an immediate and sometimes painful reminder to pay attention to details, thus reducing the likelihood of the same mistake being repeated. Think about this, without replacing the water pump this time, the happy customer would be a repeat customer and could be billed twice for the coolant drainage, teardown, etc.

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #25 –
Jay the banging was the GIVE AWAY. When an engines coolant is blocked it bangs. Just like a radiator in a house in the winter time that is air bound. Either way you fixed it ant that is GOOD.
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #26 –
thanks, i thought i had jumanji stuck in the block.

Car over heating , NON FOX , is a Kia sophia *SOLVED*

Reply #27 –
jcassity,
I don't think you can have that award so easily! You got newbies like me that HAVE to learn the hard way. I remember thinking that I didn't want to remove my starter. Now I have a new starter and it's been off probably (8) times now. I even tried putting it in upside down. Same with my oil pan, first time a PITA, second time not so bad. I'm sure glad I didn't give up and take my car to a shop, they would own my car by now. Afraid of the unknown.... practice makes perfect... Well, I'm far from perfect but I'm not so afraid of the unknown any more and I can replace my starter, radiator, intake manifold all in a fraction of the time it used to take me. At my rate I might kill my car before I fix it, but it's a perfect candidate for shop class. TBS302 is right, if the job's not right, it makes me want to get right back in there and make it right so that NEXT TIME I can even improve on what's there. Some times I carry a torch... some times I carry a candle (lol).