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Reply #45 – August 09, 2009, 12:36:29 PM

I suppose i will be the one to brave the site and verify if it is propoganda or not.

that should be enogh to satisfy those saying its a lie.

Afterall, thats what all this is about isnt it,,

"this must be a lie"
"this must be BS"
"this must be some form of radical bs"
"this must be a hoax"
"this must be something made up by a sicko"
"this must be from someone's imagination"

so,,,,,,, out to the garage pc to capture a screenshot for everyone.

that way I can be a liar by going to a site i had nothing to do with creating and simply posting what is there.

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Reply #46 – August 09, 2009, 01:06:00 PM

Quote from: Thunder Chicken;285923

I would be really surprised if the disclaimer on the CARS site wasn't a product of the Dept of Homeland Security, and is likely buried somewhere on every gov website. You know, that same Dept of Homeland Security, the one trampling all over civil rights and liberties of US citizens daily, that is a Bush legacy.

It just shows in spades what the rant I posted earlier was pointing out.

Bushco used the Constitution as toilet paper, yet those who would listen to their corporate w of choice have no idea that Bush was trampling all over the rights of Americans all along. Makes me laugh my ass off to see the utter utter utter impossibly ridiculous hypocrisy of those who are just now noticing what Bush did for many years - and blaming Obama for it!

Dear God, somebody shoot me now - these people are too stupid to live.

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Reply #47 – August 09, 2009, 01:33:32 PM

when I first viewed the vid and heard him use the phrase "dealer", i had to ask myself how does this effect me?

I did a little digging and called a guy at our ford dealer here and he said that the registered dealer site is different than the public site.

so far beck on target ...........

Now the "dealer" site has been changed and the terms of services are a little different.

here is what beck got right / wrong.......although i am still not sure what it is he got "wrong" since he said all along it was with respect to when a "DEALER" gained access.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/08/cars-gov-terms-service

Interestingly enough though, the cars.gov site privacy statments are below..........

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Reply #48 – August 09, 2009, 01:38:24 PM

Quote from: Cougar5.0;285953

It just shows in spades what the rant I posted earlier was pointing out.

Bushco used the Constitution as toilet paper, yet those who would listen to their corporate w of choice have no idea that Bush was trampling all over the rights of Americans all along. Makes me laugh my ass off to see the utter utter utter impossibly ridiculous hypocrisy of those who are just now noticing what Bush did for many years - and blaming Obama for it!

Dear God, somebody shoot me now - these people are too stupid to live.

there has been ample time to have issued out another record breaking executive order to overturn XYZ and it has not happend. Yes, he was not my guy either, really lost all my support in 2007 making it manditory all new births have blood drawn and this blood of new citizens become the property of the govt to do with as they see fit.

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Reply #49 – August 09, 2009, 01:48:05 PM

Quote from: Cougar5.0;285953

It just shows in spades what the rant I posted earlier was pointing out.

Bushco used the Constitution as toilet paper, yet those who would listen to their corporate w of choice have no idea that Bush was trampling all over the rights of Americans all along. Makes me laugh my ass off to see the utter utter utter impossibly ridiculous hypocrisy of those who are just now noticing what Bush did for many years - and blaming Obama for it!

Dear God, somebody shoot me now - these people are too stupid to live.

LOL I find it funny that both you you are speaking like our current economic crisis is "Bush" or "Obama's" fault.

Newsflash!

No matter who the current puppet in office is, Its essentially the same administration that we've had for the last 40 years. That is what has screwed things up, not specific presidents. They are only the visible part of our administration, not the ones making the decisions. We've had failing government since the people in charge here embraced the federal reserve. Its been a downhill slide from there, and it will continue to do so until unrest spreads far enough to threaten the "real" people in charge and their power base.

Again, its not any specific president that has screwed things up, its not democrat or republican, Its the government as a whole.

I think that people have let things slide for too long because they are self centered and really un-interested in how their country actually works. If people would never have become complacent, the problems we have today would be a hell of a lot less messy.

The government should fear its people, not the other way around.

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Reply #50 – August 09, 2009, 01:56:08 PM

I do agree that there's not a lot of difference between the parties these days and that if we don't do something soon, China & India will be eating our lunch. As it is they could destroy us in a nanosecond just by calling their loans. Those mouthpieces who sit there dividing this country even further are virtually assuring our demise. Please stop promoting them!! :(

We are in deep shiznit if we don't learn to get along and start moving in a different direction.

How does that expression go?

When the people fear their government, you have tyranny, when the government fears it's people, you have freedom.

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Reply #51 – August 09, 2009, 02:42:41 PM

It's like picking bread from the grocery store. No matter what you buy, it's still going to be stale in a matter of time. The best available out there, don't become govt. officials, they become critics of govt. officials. Somewhere along the line we failed to address that. And that was probably more than 40 years ago.

On a local level, we had two people run for Mayor. Neither of them are liked by anybody, but we had to choose one. To me, it just seems there's something wrong with that.

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Reply #52 – August 09, 2009, 05:27:02 PM

Havi, you just described the last (and the next, and the next, sic ad infinetum) Canadian federal election. We had three losers to choose from, so we had to choose the least losiest loser. And, like in America, it's been like that for decades.

I've said it many times before: Obama did not become president on his strengths, he became president on Bush's flaws (which reflected on and dragged down the entire Republican party). People didn't really care who they were voting for, they just wanted something different than the status quo. A retarded chimp running for the Democrats could have won that election based on no other platform than "Hey, at least I'm not Bush". Obama knew this and based his entire campaign on the promise of change. It's far too early to tell whether he'll be successful in delivering, or whether that change will be for better or worse, no matter what any Republican says while gleefully pointing out that Obama hasn't changed the world in his first 200 days.

I only lightly touched down on what I believe is the root cause of the "lackluster government" problem (voter indifference aside): Lobby groups. Whether it be big business (IE Tobacco, Insurance, Pharma, Automobile manufacturing, big banks) or "public" interest (NAACP, AARP, PETA, religion, and of course the major political parties, etc - and I use the term "public" loosely, as each interest group has only its own agenda in mind) lobbying is the death of government, because lobbying either bribes (big business) or bullies (public interest) the government into doing their bidding. C4C is a prime example of this. So is the opposition to health reform. And so was the big bank bailout. Until it stops you can expect government to get worse, not better.

Funny, in China, where all of the growth is happening, you have government influencing business. In USA, where everything is at a standstill, you have business influencing government. Maybe I was wrong with my post above about how givernment should not run business...

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Reply #53 – August 09, 2009, 07:47:24 PM

Quote from: Thunder Chicken;285987

... no matter what any Republican says while gleefully pointing out that Obama hasn't changed the world in his first 200 days.

I think Republicans are convinced that in 200 days, he has had a huge impact on the world.

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Reply #54 – August 09, 2009, 09:36:39 PM

Quote from: jcassity;285939

you think?
I dono, a car is a little more easier to afford than a house under the same conditions (ie- superfunding).

I would think a household income of 30k could likely afford a final balance of 20k spread out over a few years rather than 600k for a house spread across 30-50 years.

It has a banking appearance that its almost doable for many low income folks.

hope it works but........ I also hope it does not become a perm thing.

Yes, I do think so. The only people it is "helping" are those folks who were thinking about buying a new car anyway and are looking for an easy way to unload that SUV they bought, which is usually a second or third car in some cases.

The people who can actually use a reliable, newer mode of transportation are those people who are struggling to make ends meet and have one older car. CARS or not, they can't afford a new car and all the additional expenses, such as the higher cost of insurance and plates, not to mention the taxes. The cars they COULD afford, and get many more years of use out of are the ones being traded in on this program, and summarily destroyed, all in the name of "progress". To quite a few folks, a 10yr old car, in good running order is a step up.

The media is all a flutter right now reporting that "dealerships are running out of cars", and trying to prop up what a good thing this program is for the economy, but it's all smoke and mirrors. When the money dries up, people are not going to be flocking to dealerships to buy cars, because the people who couldn't afford it in the first place, still won't be able to, and those who took advantage of the program won't be out to buy another car anytime soon. Car sales will drop again, and the complaining about how bad the economy is will begin anew.

The just went full retard when they decided to give more money to it. And we all know, you never go full retard.

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Reply #55 – August 09, 2009, 09:44:45 PM

Yep, Chuck knows where I'm coming from.

Regardless of party, IMO, it's still not a great idea. These are tough times, and I believe time is the only healer.

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Reply #56 – August 10, 2009, 12:14:42 AM

well,, if it was ever a buyers market on stocks,, I predict this fall will be a repeat of last march. (say ,,oh, around mid november)

lets see if Im right.

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Reply #57 – August 10, 2009, 12:52:43 AM

12 months from now dealerships will be going out of business. They've gotten greedy and have front-loaded all the demand. **Very** unwise move in my opinion. Right behind them the people who build the cars will be bleeding red ink...and I'll be laughing my head off at the folly.

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Reply #58 – August 10, 2009, 07:52:52 AM

Very true. The automakers are low on stock because of the success of C4C. They'll ramp up production and demand will dry up as C4C either runs out of money or takers, then they'll be in the same boat...

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Reply #59 – August 10, 2009, 04:46:47 PM

Snopes reports this as false but it is only half false. The language was there, and has been changed. It apparently was in the tos for the dealers as stated before.

http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/clunkers.asp

Bush sucked, Obama sucks just as bad (i believe much more as i do believe his policies/alignment are damaging) ANYONE extreme left or right are nuts. CFC in its entirety is a piss poor idea. Name one thing that the government runs so well that i would happily have them in direct control of my familys health care....restraint, reform and restructure are what needs to happen. The insane bailouts stimulous and other scams are never going to positivly effect the country. Here is the thing. There is so much information out there, so little time to sort through any of it and even less to process it. IMO, none of the media out there is un-bias so good luck to ANYONE that thinks they have all the answers. Some things make sense, Like respecting the BOR. Everything needs regulation to some degree but without crossing the line. That can be applied everywhere.