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So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Well, generaly it is, but occasionally you get a real winner. Below you'll find a transcript of an email conversation I had been having with a Camaro owner that bought one of my sequencer kits a year and a half ago. This may well be the longest post I've ever made in any forum, but I've gotta vent, and this is just too good. Really. I'm generally not into C&P-ing conversations, but this kid is just too stupid not to share.

The gist of the whole thing: The guy bought a sequencer for his Camaro in May of 2005. It worked fine until August of this year, so he requested a warranty replacement. I obliged, with my only request being that he send the item back via USPS instead of FedEx. FedEx charges a "Brokerage fee" starting at $20. He ignored my request and sent it back via FedEx, and sure as there's shiznit in a cat I received a bill from FedEx this morning for $19 and change. Outraged, I called FedEx, where I was told that I could simply ignore the bill, and if I didn't pay it the sender would be responsible. I gleefully wrote this Camaro guy to tell him this, and that's where the fun began. And now, having presented the plot to tonight's story, I present you with tonight's story. A long read, but it gets pretty amusing:

The start:
Quote from: Brendan Guffey
Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:09 PM
I had mailed you a week or so back and told you of my problems with my  sequential tail light module.  The problem is persisting even after following  the directions you gave to adjust the system.

I'm wonder what steps  should be taken from here? can i send the unit in? if it is malfuncitoning still  for you, do i receive a new unit? what do i do in the meantime as far as lights  are concerned? do i unhook all the connections that are in there for the module?  or do i clip wires ? what should i do?
thank you
Brendan Guffey
My reply:
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
Hi...
 
 You can send the module back, and we will test  it. If it's defective it will be replaced. To send it back, be sure to follow  these instructions carefully - failure to do so will result in the package being  refused at customs:
 
 Send the package via USPS (NOT UPS or FedEx). On  any customs forms or stckers you have to fill out, write WARRANTY RETURN ITEM and in any space where it  asks you for a declared value enter "0". You MUST enter "0" for the declared value.  Entering anyn value other tha ) or not entering anything at all will result in  customs refusing the package.
 
 To remove the sequencer from your car, simply cut  the sequencer wires (BE CERTAIN TO LEAVE AT LEAST 12" OF WIRING ON THE SEQUENCER  SO IT MAY BE TESTED). Once the sequencer wires are cut, connect all the wires  together (on each side of the car). For example, on the left side, connect the  green, white, black and red wires together, and do the same for the right side.  Do not connect the ground wire from the sequencer to anything. This will return  your signal lights to "normal" and will allow you to drive the car while waiting  for the results of your return.
Note that it is clearly stated to NOT use FedEx.

His reply:
Quote from: Brendan Guffy
Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:10 PM
That sounds good, what if the sequencer is NOT defective? is there a way you can  make sure it is working order and return it?
thanks
My reply
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
If it is not defective, it will be returned to  you.
 
His reply:
Quote from: Brendan Guffy
Monday, August 07, 2006 10:20 PM
Ok i just removed the un it from my vehicle i now need to know where to send  it.  Hopefully it is defective or you all can fix it!
thanks
brendan
My reply:
Quote from: Thunder Chicken


The address is:
 
 Carmen Burrows
 XXXX  XXXXXX  XXXX
 Upper Kennetcook, NS, Canada
 XXX XXX

 
  Send the package via USPS (NOT UPS or FedEx). On  any customs forms or stckers you have to fill out, write WARRANTY RETURN ITEM and in any space where it  asks you for a declared value enter "0". You MUST enter "0" for the declared value.  Entering any value other than "0" or not entering anything at all will result in  customs refusing the package.

Note that the explicit instructions to NOT use FedEX are once again mentioned.

His reply (this was the first sign of trouble, as USPS does not ask for all this info):
Quote from: Brendan Guffey
Wednesday, August 30, 2006 12:53 AM
Hey i'm planning on returning my module and i'm having some problems sending  it.
1. your phone number
2. the unit value
3.currency of  settlement
4. country of origin (where it was made)
5. total value of  shipment.
you guys have been great to deal with in the past hope to hear from  you ASAP!
thanks
Brendan Guffey
Note that he asked questions that were already answered in red above (I did not add that red text just now, BTW - the emails were sent like that to him).

Seeing trouble, I wrote:
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
Hi...
 
 As mentioned below in my return instructions. The  value and value of shipment has to be "0" as it is a warranty return, I am not  buying the item from you, it is being returned for repair/replacement. You have  to write "warranty return" on the customs form or it may get refused. It was  made in Canada and the phone number is 902-XXX-XXXX. It also has to be sent via  USPS.
 
 Carmen
So he writes:
Quote from: Brendan Guffey
Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:40 AM
I can't send it USPS...A) i already paid for fed ex, and b) there are no USPS  drop boxes near me.
In a really stupid move on my part (stupid because I should have told him to abide by my rules or get bent), I say:
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
HI... 
 FedEx may be OK as long as they do not attempt to  charge their "Brokerage Fee" as they ususally to for Canadian receivers. This  "brokerage fee" ranges from $20-$40. If the "brokerage fee" is applied the  parcel will be refused. This is why we said in or first email (and on our  warranty page included with the kit) to not use that delivery service.


So the parcel arrives a few days later. Lo-and-behold, not only did he not follow my instructions to not send it via FedEx, he also enters a declared value of $50. Oddly enough, the driver does not request any money, so I accept the parcel. I test it, it is indeed defective, so I send him a replacement. I then get this from him:
Quote from: Brendan Guffey
Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:06 PM
Hey you guys took care of everything wonderfully...got the new module in adn  it's working great...i know i shouldnt...but is there a way to adjust it so they  run through the sequence a bit slower?

thanks again
Brendan
I write back:
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
Hi Brendan..

Glad to hear the sequencer is working for you. To answer your question: The sequencer has the ability to go slower but is limited by the turn signal flasher in your car. If you could find a slower flasher you could slow down the sequencing effect.
And that brings us to today. Today i received a bill from FedEx for a "brokerage fee" of almost $20. Strangely enough, the bill came via Canada Post, but that's besides the point. I called the number on the bill fully expecting to give FedEx a big "shag YOU" and tell them that they'd never get the money. Turns out I didn't have to - the FedEx guy said that if I didn't want to pay the bill, or if I felt I shouldn't have to (and given the multiple warnings to the sender I definitely felt this way) I could just ignore it, and after 90 days they'd bill him. Apparently when you send something via FedEx you agree that if the receiver refuses to pay the brokerage fee it's your responsibility. I thanked the FedEx guy and wrote this email
*note* All email quotes from this point on were from today:
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
HI Brendan...
 
 THis is to let you know that today I received an  invoice from FedEx in the amount of $19.61 for the customs clearance of the item  you returned. This is why I told you not to send the item via FedEx. I have  called the number on the invoice and was informed that if I don't pay the  invoice within 90 days you (the shipper) will be responsible for the charges.  Obviously I will not be paying the invoice since I told you originally not to  use FedEx and also told you to declare the value at "0" which you also failed to  do. I just thought I'd let you know because in 90 days you'll be getting a bill  from FedEx

He writes back:
Quote from: Brendan Guffey
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Quote from: Brendan Guffey
I paid to send it out, you pay to send it back...woops for you...
As any of you that have read my posts or emails know, I do not tolerate rudeness. My reply:
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
Woops for me? Ya think? FedEx already told me that  in their agreement with with you, that you accepted when you sent the item  (guess you shoulda read before signing - WOOPS) you agreed to pay the brokerage  fee if I refuse to. They've already told me to ignore the invoice because your  account will be billed for it in 90 days if I don't pay it. I guess we'll see  who it's "woops" for...
 
 Oh, and you're lucky this invoice arrived after  your item was sent, else you'd have lost it until the issue was settled. I guess  you'll be a bit more careful about sending it back if it ever fails again,  because I know I'll be a good deal more careful about returning it to you. I  would just cancel your warranty altogether, but instead I'll just flag my  records to remind me in future. I'm interested to see if you'd be bold enough to  send it back if the need ever arises...

And then all hell broke loose:
Quote from: Brendan Guffey
Wow...i was...just for a moment...ready to send people to you for sequential  tail light services.  I"m a big player in the f-body world (aka camaros,  firebirds, trans ams) but all of a sudden SignalWave is going to get all my and  their business...woops for you sir. 

See you fail to understand.  There  IS NO usps that ships big packages in the small town where i'm located.  You  fail to understand that FedEx WILL NOT EXCEPT 0 as a value.  Are you stupid?  its an age old adage that a happy customer tells one person about their  experience...but an unhappy customer tells 10...well trust me..i'm posting on  all the f-body boards not to go through "thundercatz" who the hell names their  company after a third rate cartoon...
Naturally I was not gonna take that kind of bullshiznit. The fingers started flying:
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
That's the best you can come up with? Making fun of  my company because it shares the name with a "third rate" 80's cartoon? And then  you spelled the company name wrong, to boot. What are you, 6 years old? First  off, the common name is coinicidence - my company is named after Thunderbirds  ("thunder") and Cougars ("cats"), the cars that these sequencers were designed  for. Of course a "Big player" in cars should know something like that,  especially given the fact that a Thunderbird is pictured on my  website...
 
 As for your claim that there are no post offices  near you I just looked up your address and ZIP code on USPS.com and found no  fewer than eight full service postal stations within ten miles of your ZIP code.  Proof? http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgidir.dll?MEM=1355&PR=139&ST=2&CSF=LocatorPostOffice&cid=1222&SD=100&A=&T=Mankato&S=MT&Z=56001&Search.x=40&Search.y=9
 
 The fact of the matter is that you failed to follow  my very simple return instructions. These instuctions were provided to you AT  LEAST three times before you chose to ignore them (once on the warranty sheet  and twice in emails).  I could have (and in retrospect, should have) refused  your package when the FedEx truck showed up, but I didn't. Now your ignorance or  stubbornness (or, as it appears, both) have cost you money because exactly what  I said would happen if you used FedEx has happened. WOOPS (oh, by the way, it's  spelled "WHOOPS").
 
 Now, Mr. "Big Player", you can go ahead and bad  mouth me and my company in your F-body forums. I've sold hundreds of these kits  to Camaro/Firebird owners, all of whom have been very happy (including you until  you found out that your own stupidity cost you money - once I get some time I'll  be sure to "troll" the F-body forums and post copies of your email  communications in every thread of yours that I find, and it shouldn't be hard to  find a big player such as yourself). In fact one customer was so happy he set up  his own website with detailed instructions on how to install the kit in his '00  Firebird and gave me permission to use the instructions. That sure sounds like  an unhappy customer, doesn't it?
 
 And then there's the "I was going to brag up your  product" foolishness. Considering it's been more than a year since you bought,  I'd have thought that any "bragging" would have been done long ago. Please,  spare me your foolishness and have somebody change your diaper.
 
 You can go ahead and buy your SignalWave products  (from your email I can only assume that you've got a whole fleet of F-bodies  waiting to have sequencers installed, but you were apparently waiting over a  year to see if I'd accept your mistake). Truthfully I'd much rather let other  companies deal with the likes of you.
 
 The long and short of it: You caused the whole  problem. Had you followed my instructions we wouldn't even be having this  discussion. My refusal to pay FedEx for your inability to follow simple  instructions is at the root of this whole matter. My customer service was  exemplary, as you even stated in your email three days ago. Your mistake, your  problem. WOOPS indeed.

He then dropped about eighty IQ points:
Quote from: Brendan Guffey
first off
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/woops
you  can use it both ways dickweed.
Second...i paid like 30 bucks (including the  NEW charge) to get a NEW sequencer...haha.  Secondly, my "bad install" you are  referring to was as per YOUR instructions.  So try again on that one.

And  as for thunderbirds...i forgot they existed...i like to put shiznitty cars out of  my memory banks.

and i wasn't going to "brag up your PRODUCT" i was going  to brag up your service...but apparently your time of the month came and so did  the bitching...who'd have thunk it eh? (and yes i know thunk isn't a word).  So  lets see...one year after install the sequencer fails, thats a sign of quality.  Do  you just sell shiznitty products? should i expect ANOTHER failure in under a year?  or should i just put my order into signalwave now? i'm sure they'll be happy to  badmouth a third rate "competitor" haha.


the long...nay..short of  it.  Don't buy car parts from canada...they are hardly a country anyway..."look  we are starting a country...oh shiznit...no one came" haha.  Is it my fault you all  deal to the US and can't handle the customs shiznit!? haha.
My final reply to this idiot:
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
Better not buy cars from Canada either. Guess this means you'll be selling your Canadian-built F-body and buying something more American. Perhaps a nice Honda Accord? Maybe a Toyota Tacoma? American as apple pie...

Seems to me Canada is a lot higher in world opinion than USA, but I won't stoop to your level by putting down an entire country for the sake of one spectacularly stupid person.

Thanks for admitting to your "bad install" - you've given me excuse to void your warranty. Consider it over. But FYI, I was not referring to your installation when i said you couldn't follow instructions, I was referring to your sending it back wrong.

Customs? I have no problem with customs. I just tell 'em to charge the idiots on the other side of the border that can't seem to read english. Seems to me that you're the one that has the problem with customs.

Now, having said all that, it's clear I'm arguing with a either child, a retard, or a retarded child (the latter seems most likely).  I'm quite finished now. I have added your email addy to my spam list, so you can type away, nobody will ever see your replies. Of course this also means that I won't receive any future requests for tech support or warranty issues from you, but I'd just ignore those anyway. I won't be replying to any of your emails, but rest assured that I will be looking in the F-body forums, and if I find any posts by you (given your "big player" status it should be easy) I will be posting this entire conversation. We'll let intelligent people figure this one out for themselves...

So there ya have it. An exhausting read, I know, but entertaining. Note that I didn't even take him up on his "Thunderbirds = shiznit" statement by telling him about his F-body and mullet. The opinions of stupid people don't matter, after all. Entertaining or not, the next person to tell me "The customer is always right" is gonna have a wild 6'3" 260-lb ape on their hands...








2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #1
no offense to the other chevy drivers on here

but he sounds like a 17 year old v6 camaro driver

pen 15y as hell, with nothing to back it up

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #2
Ummm, they still allow Slowmaros on the road? :grinno:

That guy's parents need some form of retro-active birth control method...
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #3
Man that guy is a :pbb: retard! Read the :rules: :asshole:  Sue his little, childish, ass for slander if he says anything on the F body boards.:shakeass: :nkhk: :beatyoass: :headbang:

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #4
I had a similar conversation via eBay when I sold a Taurus SHO police grille.
The potential bidder suggested that I kill the auction and sell it to him ASAP so his son could get an early birthday present. Obviously, I declined his offer.
What's amazing is he ended up winning the auction (just shy of $200). When I told him how rare the grilles were, he responded with an astonishingly arrogant response. It went along the lines of, "Uh... yeah. I know it's rare. I guess owning SEVEN Taurus SHOs makes me ignorant to the parts. I suppose it also doesn't matter that I own a Taurus SHO speed shop. I must be an idiot."

Holy bacon. How the hell was I supposed to know that? There are some real pen 15s on this planet.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #5
I guess that's worse than the time I lost out on about $50 worth of shipping charges when a woman bought an XBOX off of me and then decided that a used Xbox shouldn't have dust on it or anything.  I said I'd refund her money in full if she paid the return shipping, but she refused to even do that. She wanted the originaly shipping costs AND the return costs paid back to her.  I actually got a phone call from her, yelling at me.  Surprisingly, though she gave me a positive feedback.  Probably the most expensive feedback I ever got, though.

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #6
Wow what a dumb ass:dunce: :pbb: . Makes me sad to be an American. BTW your sequencer is working fine in my car. I followed the directions:cool: . I'm not a :dunce: :rules:
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #7
you are right...that was entertaining....
 
found him posting away on any of those sh@y f body forums?....lol
:america: 1988 Thunderbird Sport, Former 4.6 DOHC T56 conversion project.

Rest of the country, Welcome to Massachusettes. Enjoy your stay.

 
Halfbreed... Mango Orange Y2K Mustang GT
FRPP complete 2000 Cobra engine swap, T56 n' junk...
~John~

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #8
Quote from: 87thunderbirdBlackJack;106027
pen 15y as hell, with nothing to back it up

Sounds like most chevy drivers to me.
1980 birds X 3, 1982 bird, 1984 XR7, 1988 TC

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Reply #9
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (laughing so hard in the floor)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA "Chevy Big Player" Hahahahahaha.......

I cant resist, hahahahaha
1985 Mercury Cougar V6
1989 F-200 V8
1996 Explorer V6
2001 F-150

 

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Reply #10
What no pen 15:nkhk:
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #11
Hey look they do work in his car.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8468842998716235073
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=3919369

All you need is a name and BAM you have any kind of info you wanted.

http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/forums/member.php?u=3133
And there you have it "Mr. Big Playas" profile.

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #12
Quote from: slamedcat;106075
Hey look they do work in his car.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8468842998716235073
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=3919369

All you need is a name and BAM you have any kind of info you wanted.


Uhh, its too bad he owns a Firebird. :pbb:

He does seem like a 17 v6 Camaro driver, with mom and dads credit card in hand.

I'll take a quote from his Myspace. "Im more special than Ed"      Nuff Said
"Real cars dont power the front wheels, they lift them"
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
1984 Mercury Cougar GS 5.0:cougarsmily: BBK Equal Length Shorties, BBK O/R X-Pipe, Magnaflow Magnapacks, Mustang GT Stainless Tailpipes, 18" Magnaflow Rolled Edge Tips. Turbo Coupe Hood, Mach 1 Chin Spoiler. 17"x9" Cobra R's, Falken Ziex 255/50s, and 245/45s.
1984 Ford Thunderbird 3.8L "Drag Queen"
2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Lone Star Edition 5.7L Hemi 400hp, lex DOD14M Magnaflow retro-fit ler kit

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #13
haaha thats awesome

A couple noteable quoteables

Quote
i dont' read books...
And it shows :grinno:

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CHIP FOOSE.....FOOOOOOOOSE man! seriously look him up...he is my hero.
:rolleyes:



'Big Player' has a whole 21 posts :dunce:
1980 birds X 3, 1982 bird, 1984 XR7, 1988 TC

So ya think it's easy selling on eBay (long but amusing post)...

Reply #14
carm your stuff is great and im sure that one retard--oh wait mr big player retard.. will not hurt your business!