There are some sick sick people in this world

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There are some sick sick people in this world

Reply #15 – April 01, 2006, 07:16:11 PM

ok thats just wrong 350 anything chevy motors are as far as Im concerned last one I had blew up thats why I drive ford now. could have been my driving habits though too. Just one question on the auction though. how many people can run the exact same down to the hundreths of a second 6 times in a row?

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Reply #16 – April 01, 2006, 07:26:47 PM

I think the 350 is a great engine.
There seem to be a lot of strange views in this thread.

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Reply #17 – April 01, 2006, 07:34:25 PM

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how many people can run the exact same down to the hundreths of a second 6 times in a row?

Well, a very good bracket racer can do it:hick:

Nothing wrong with a nicely worked GM 350. I just wouldn't put one in a Ford (or Dodge for that matter).

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Reply #18 – April 01, 2006, 07:36:58 PM

i could imagine having the exact same times once or twice in there but every single time?

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Reply #19 – April 01, 2006, 08:00:03 PM

The car is an auto which lends itself to more cosistency to begin with. Every one of those 6 passes could have very well been on the same day, who knows. He might also have been experinced enough to tune his car correctly for changing track conditions or when to let up off the gas a little on a particular pass. I'm not saying it's easy but it is possible. Besides, what if there was a seventh pass that was totally different and he don't feel like sharing that with us;)

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Reply #20 – April 01, 2006, 10:23:45 PM

Quote from: Master_xzavior

ok thats just wrong 350 anything chevy motors are as far as Im concerned last one I had blew up thats why I drive ford now.

Boy, it's a good thing I didn't base my automotive preferences on a single Ford I owned - as it happened it was the most expensive, newest Ford I've ever owned, A '91 T-Bird with the V6 that I bought in '93 that treated me thusly:

Both upper ball joints failed within a year of buying it (and within months of the warranty expiring). $300 apiece
Both front stabilizer end links failed shortly afterward. $70 apiece
Head gasket failed at 50k miles ($300)
#4 rod bearing failed at 65k miles, taking the crank with it ($1200)
Ignition switch burned up leaving me stranded 500 miles from home
Alternator failed, leaving me stranded in rush hour traffic in a raging rainstorm ($200)
Paint peeled off all horizontal surfaces (a well known early 90's Ford problem)
Body completely destroyed by rust - door bottoms, wheel openings and rocker panels, all completely missing when the car was 8 years old

Of course, we could also count the single most expensive car I've ever owned, which was built by a Ford-owned company as well, the Volvo:

Engine blew less than 24 hours after purchase
Back to dealership four times for persistant oil leaks - each time they replaced a different cam seal. It's not dripping on the ground now, but I can still smell it at stop lights
AWD system makes a loud "CLUNK" when backing up, then clunks again when starting to move forward after backing up - the car will be heading back to the dealership once I'm confident the salt will be off the pavement for good, because I have a feeling it's gonna be at the dealership for awhile
Right headlight wiper motor gears stripped - I had to unplug it because it whined constantly whenever the key was on
That's about it, but I've only had it less than four months

Compared to that single Chevy 350 you owned and blew up I guess my Ford experience should've driven me away form anything domestic, let alone Fords...

Of course I owned a few Chevy's and GM's too: a '78 Trans Am with a 1970 LT1, a '79 Skylark with a 305, an '80 Formula with the 301, an '83 C10 with the 305 (and 3-on-the-tree, a real treat to drive), an '88 Daewoo Optima (Pontiac Lemans) with a 1.6-liter version of the Sunbird OHC engine, a '94 Saturn SC2, and every one of those vehicles was pretty much trouble free. The 301 Firebird was a slug and the Daewoo was a shiznitbox, but none of those cars ever presented me with major problems.

Truthfully, anybody that says they like these cars (83-88 Birds/Cougs) because they have good drivetrains is talking out their arse (with the exception of the turbo 4, which by 1980's standards was a great engine). The SO 5.0 and the 3.8 are both boat anchors and Ford should be ashamed of them (especially the SO 5.0). Virtually any engine, even a *shudder* 350, would be an improvement over a 155-horse 302 or an even more pathetic 3.8.

I bought my Thunderbirds (and Cougar) for their style, not their power. The 350 is a fine engine, every bit as reliable as any 302, and capable of producing every bit as much power, probably for less money. It just doesn't belong in a Thunderbird or Cougar. But then again, neither does a 155-horse 302...

/end rant

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Reply #21 – April 01, 2006, 10:29:10 PM

well said, and I agree 100%...
My first vehicle was a Jeep j 10 truck, I was always working on it...
I then got an 86 Escort GT, and that thing ran till the day I parked it, am still yet thinking about driving it, especially since i just spent 50 bucks for gas and only 3/4 tank in the 1/2 ton 4x4 Chevy truck I'm now driving

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Reply #22 – April 01, 2006, 10:32:30 PM

oh Im not just basing that on one paticular truck Ive owned a few chevy's was always at the parts store for them

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Reply #23 – April 01, 2006, 10:43:24 PM

Thunder Chicken you have to remember that both those cars were used and who knows what hell those vehicles may have faced before you got them. With that in mind though some vehicles are just plain and simple shiznit it doesnt have anything with the manufacturer or the way it was treated theyre just .

The 350 is a good engine, would I ever drop it into a ford product? hell no, i'd just rather be powered by ford

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Reply #24 – April 02, 2006, 12:49:50 AM

Small Block Chevy's are king of the roost, get over it. There is not one performance part you can't buy and buy cheap for a small block Chevy. I love them, I've got like 7 here at the house..... newest project is a 350 roller block getting vortec heads and a custom multiport fuel injection setup. going in my k10.

Would I drop one in a Ford? F*ck no! 5.0 + Flowmaster = buldge in pants

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Reply #25 – April 02, 2006, 11:05:12 AM

Who cares whats under the hood? If its fast, its fast. If its fun, its fun.

Chevy engines can handle more power, be built for cheaper, make more power with stock displacement, in N/A form than a Ford 302.

Ive seen many more chevy 350's making 500hp at the wheels, where as you hear that a stock ford block will break at 500hp...hmmm....for a race car, i think i see the obvious choice.

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Reply #26 – April 02, 2006, 03:02:14 PM

Quote from: Tbird232ci

Chevy engines can handle more power, be built for cheaper, make more power with stock displacement, in N/A form than a Ford 302.

I agree with chevy engines being cheaper to build but an engine is only as strong as the parts used to build it, also what chevy engine are you comparing the 302 to? 'cause if your comparing it to the 305 (which you should) then hands down the 302 is a better engine. 350-351 they can be made to produce and handle the same ammount of power reliably but the 351 will cost you 75% more to build

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Reply #27 – April 02, 2006, 06:07:46 PM

Quote from: tbirdscott

I agree with chevy engines being cheaper to build but an engine is only as strong as the parts used to build it, also what chevy engine are you comparing the 302 to? 'cause if your comparing it to the 305 (which you should) then hands down the 302 is a better engine. 350-351 they can be made to produce and handle the same ammount of power reliably but the 351 will cost you 75% more to build

Oh god, not another "compair the 302 to the 305" argument.

Fords top engine for the car was the HO 302, and Chevy's top engine in the 80's was the L98, tuned port 350. If you want to go by that argument, we might as well compair the ford 255 to the chevy 305, since they were ECONOMY V8's, not performance. Hell, the 305 made more power, more torque, and has more potential with stock heads than the SO 5.0 with stock heads. My buddy is running 14.30's with headers back exhaust, gears, a 5-speed, some roller rockers, an intake, and stock everything else. Lets see an SO do that.

Go ahead and put a 2000 dollar rotating assembly into a factory ford block, go ahead and make 550hp at the rear wheels, forged internals will not protect your block from splitting. And if you say "the block wont split", thats definatly not true.

Theres a split factory block. The owner of that one was only making about 430 at the wheels. I guess the Ford 5.0 is better after all. It grenades at less power!

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Reply #28 – April 02, 2006, 10:03:32 PM

Most of it is in the tune. Anything past 600hp on a stock block and you're running on borrowed time without a girdle. I know there is a guy on turbomustangs.com that is running 140+mph trap speeds on a stock 302 block though.

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Reply #29 – April 02, 2006, 11:48:26 PM

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My buddy is running 14.30's with headers back exhaust, gears, a 5-speed, some roller rockers, an intake, and stock everything else.

Excuse me , Sir, i do not consider that setup "stock". I guess, a 302 SO with 5 speed, a 3.73, roller rocker arms, the headers and exhaust and the intake wont be so far of that low 14`s...maybe high 14`s...maybe someone have to try it..

Of course, chevy engines are cheaper for modify because everyone thinks "Chevy" when someone is talking about a "Big block"...even here you can get chevy parts cheap...