PLEASE! For the Love of God, Help me!!!!

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PLEASE! For the Love of God, Help me!!!!

February 08, 2006, 09:33:42 PM

Ok, I am at my wits end right now with the transmission problem plauging my Turbo. 1 week ago, and 1 day (Tuesday) I took the car into a local tranmission shop to have it rebuilt. $995 plus taxes. That's it.

I met the guy, talked to him in person, and didn't get the feeling he was trying to rip me off. Seemed decent enough. Anyway, 1 week goes by and I'm told yesterday that after rebuilding the transmission, they test drove the car and it still slipped. They told me it could be the valve body, so they cleaned it and worked on it. Apparently that didn't affect the slipping. Then today, I was given a call and told that information, and that they thought it could be the "governor"? Anyway, they replaced that, and again, with the same results. I am so frustrated right now I can't even think clearly.

The guy has told me the rebuilt the ENTIRE tranmission. The fixed and cleaned the valve body, replaced the "governor", replaced the bands, etc. From the sounds of things, they seem not to have a clue why it's still slipping.

This is key now, apparently it runs MUCH better than it did. As a matter of fact, I was told it runs just fine 5 times out of 10. They said that the ONLY problem was that from time to time when the car was sitting at a dead stop and then taking off, it would act like it's in second gear.

Apparently they are so flumoxed, that they called some peformance specialist up in Phoenix and were told it could be vaccum lines causing the problem. I was then told they were getting those diagrams faxed down here to Tucson and would be going through the ones running to the tranmission.

What this tells me is that they have done everything they know how to do. You don't call another shop unless your clueless. More than anything right now is that I'm worried that this place isn't going to fix the problem. Now, if they come back to me and say "We did what we said we were going to do, we rebuilt the tranny, and it still slips. Sorry, we don't know what's wrong", fine. I would accept that. If it's engine related, I'll take it somewhere else. BUT, if I take it to another transmission shop and they can prove to me that not everything was looked at.....well....let's just say the place I took it to will be in a world of hurt.

OK, Enough venting. If you can only read one thing out of all of this anger induced mess, it would be this:

The transmission, as far as I know, has been rebuilt. However, from time to time, when taking off from a dead stop, it acts as if it's in second gear, slipping completely through first.

Can anyone help me? I know I shouldn't be giving advice to a place which is supposed to know how to fix these things, but at this point, I'm so fed up, I'm willing to try anything.

PLEASE! For the Love of God, Help me!!!!

Reply #1 – February 08, 2006, 09:37:05 PM

torque convertor?

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Reply #2 – February 08, 2006, 09:42:55 PM

is it a stock converter or is it a new one? cuz i belive the conveter definatly could cause something like this. have it checked out.

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Reply #3 – February 08, 2006, 09:45:30 PM

Ok, first question. Does the A4ld have a normal Torque Converter like every other tranmission, bolted just outside the flexplate? Secondly, I thought the transmission guy told me that it didn't have a regular torque converter, but some pump inside the tranmission itself....

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Reply #4 – February 08, 2006, 09:49:11 PM

yeah have them look at the converter since you rebuilt the tranny and it still slips and by process of elemination the converter is the old part still in use.

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Reply #5 – February 08, 2006, 09:54:16 PM

No, no, no! This place I took it too Rebuilt the tranmission!!!!

They are the ones who called me and told me that after doing so, it was acting like it was in second gear when taking off from a dead stop. I didn't touch the tranny!!!

This is what I'm trying to get across. I took it in, and asked for a rebuild. The guy calls me today, tells me they rebuilt the entire transmission, did everything they normally would do, but when they took it out for a test drive, from time to time while launching from a dead stop, the car would act like it's in second gear. I'm assuming they looked at the torque converter when they rebuilt it!!

I'm asking the question so when this place calls back, and if they still haven't fixed the problem, I might be able to suggest something. What frustrates me more than anything is that when you take your car into a place which allegedly only deals with Transmission Rebuilds, you expect that they get the job done. But instead, I have a guy on the phone who sounds stumped!!!

PLEASE! For the Love of God, Help me!!!!

Reply #6 – February 08, 2006, 10:06:23 PM

well if they have done everything and looked at the torque converter then id be stumped too. but really ask em to see if they have.

PLEASE! For the Love of God, Help me!!!!

Reply #7 – February 08, 2006, 10:10:15 PM

The only thing they haven't looked at yet are the vaccum lines? How much of a difference could these things have on the shifting?

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Reply #8 – February 08, 2006, 10:11:12 PM

They use a lock up torque converter, but its still like a typical torque converter.

It is mildly possible that its a vacume line, because if i remember correctly, the A4LD has a vacume modulator on it, that serves the same purpose as the TV cable or rod as we have on our AOD's

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Reply #9 – February 08, 2006, 10:21:08 PM

I just don't get it...and apparently these people don't either. I mean, they rebuilt the entire tranmission. They did the valve body, governor, bands, etc. The works. Yet, apparently from time to time, it slips into second when launching from a dead stop.

They changed the modulator. Now they tell me it could be the vaccum lines. And that is what they are looking at now. I just wonder what else could be causing this? I mean, they re-built the thing! Something as elementary (to them) as changing the torque converter should have been seen by them. I'm worried that I'm going to end up taking the car, and it still will be slipping. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

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Reply #10 – February 08, 2006, 10:29:54 PM

is it a computer controlled transmission? the reason i ask is i had one in a oldsmobile, i believe, that did the same thing. if i remember correctly it was an electronic problem that was causing it. w tryed just putting in a brand new transmission and it did the same thing. any way good luck
jeremy

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Reply #11 – February 08, 2006, 10:33:11 PM

well to me, a rebuild would include the valve body and torque converter. i was under the impression that any slipping issues would be caused by the converter or the bands. then again, i also rember hearing alot of people having problems with the automatic turbo trannys. lol, if you were closer id sell you my rebuilt auto tranny for 100$

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Reply #12 – February 08, 2006, 10:41:42 PM

That's what I don't get. The guy told me the did rebuild the Valve body and I'm assuming the Torque Converter was included. When I was talking to this guy, he just seemed like he had exhausted all of his normal procedures. He ended up calling some place in Phoenix for vaccum diagrams! If worse comes to worse, I will get the car back, and take it to another place and ask for the tranny to be looked at. If they find something that wasnt fixed.....well.....I'll be heading back to the my current rebuilders and have a little chat with them.

PLEASE! For the Love of God, Help me!!!!

Reply #13 – February 08, 2006, 10:56:00 PM

Read through here, maybe I missed it though. Have they tried test driving it starting with it in first, not drive?

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Reply #14 – February 09, 2006, 08:39:28 AM

Does it actually start in 2nd (can probably be checked with pressure gauges in test ports), or does it just feel like it, with no get-up-and-go?

If it's the second one, the one-way clutch in the converter might not be holding, letting the stator spin freely and not directing the fluid to multiply torque as it should. It can only really be checked under load, or by cutting the converter in half (not something you normally do).

From:
http://www.bmracing.com/index.php?id=techcorner

[COLOR="Red"]The stator has a very important function inside the converter as it multiplies torque by redirecting fluid flow in converter and it incorporates a one-way clutch assembly. The one-way clutch assembly allows the stator to hold, when the converter is multiplying torque and to spin in the direction of the oil flow when not holding.

The one-way clutch assembly (sprag) is designed to hold the stator when the converter is in the multiplication stage or when the converter is at stall. This is extremely critical at the starting line when the engine is up against the transbrake or is footbrake stalled. The stator is capable of multiplying the torque the engine produces which will help to launch the vehicle. If the one-way clutch slips the vehicle will have a very lazy launch, poor reaction times and lousy 60-foot times.[/COLOR]