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Reply #30
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
You actually brought Sweden in as an example of right-wing politics??? Um, have you ever even spoken to a Swede? I knew a couple of Swedes a few years ago, and if you think OUR government is left leaning, you oughta try Sweden. They have some of the highest taxes in the world to support their cradle-to-grave government welfare system. Their national debt is absolutely crushing. And their government is still going broke.They are well educated, but only because government pays for it. Thing is, once they get out of school, nobody wants to work because it pays better to stay home. The amount that the Swedish government intrudes on the day-to-day life of the people makes the Canadian goverment look non-existant. The Swedes I knew, that came to Canada because it was a better place to live, described their government as "one step above communism". Read PJ O'Rourke's "Eat the Rich" for a humourous look into Sweden's economy.

And their entire automotive industry is owned by US automakers, and any Saab or Volvo fan will tell you that both brands have gone downhill since this happened. And if they lead the world in safety, pollution, etc as you claim, it was all done under a leftist government.

As for the rest of your arguments, they are typical of a right-wing westerner that makes up "facts" as they go along and is sour that the east governed the country for so long.

Same shag marriage? In contrast to your absolutely false statement that "the supreme court couldn't rule on the subject",
the court DID rule, which is what brought the legislation about in the first place. This very ruling is what is going to make it impossible for Harper to steal the rights of those people back in a so-called "free vote" without using the notwithstanding clause, and Harper knows it. He also knows that he doesn't necessarily have to win that vote in the house of commons anyway, as long as he brings it up, because even though the vote will die (and very rightly so), he'll be able to look at his right wing followers and say "At least I tried".

The war in Iraq? Not only are the vast majority of Canadians against it, but now a growing majority of Americans are as well, and the Bush government is under increasing pressure to pull out, no matter how pigheaded that Bush idiot is. Martin knew this and decided not to go, and was cheered on by Canadians as a result. If Harper had his way we'd be over their dying in this unjustified war for oil. And a war for oil it is, because there are a lot of other dictatorships, banana republic governments, and cesspools of human suffering on this planet that make saddam look like a saviour, and Bush doesn't give a rat's ass about them because A) They don't have oil, or B) They'll fight back, or C) Both (like Korea). If you think any majority of Canadians would support sending troops to Iraq you are seriuosly out of touch with Canadians.

The economy? The Canadian economy has been screaming forward so fast that the Bank of Canada has had to put the brakes on it. Our dollar is now worth 87 cents US, compared to the 62 cents it was worth a few years ago. Of course, the Liberals can't take all the credit for making our currency more powerful - the American Right has to take a lot of credit for making their dollar that much LESS powerful. The Canadian national debt is shrinking. We have not had a deficit in nearly a decade. The US debt is growing and they are running HUGE deficits (mainly to pay for Bush's war). And you think a Bush Jr would be GOOD for Canada's economy?

The GST? The Liberals broke their promise to get rid of it, true enough, but it was the conservatives that rammed it down our throats to begin with, even going so far as to stack the senate with conservatives to ensure its passage. Funny how conservatives are quick to denounce the Liberals for failing to rind Canadians of a conservative tax...

The highest taxes in the G8? Yes, our taxes are high, but remarkably, our economy is the envy of the G8. Strange, isn't it?

Health care? It was on CNN yesterday that a family sickness was teh number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the USA. I don't know any Canadians that lost their house because they came down with the 'flu or broke a leg, do you?

If it seems a lot of Canadians are "stuckonstupid", a great number (but thankfully not a majority) are "stuckonoutdatedrightwingvalues".

The left took over 2/3 of the popular vote, and thankfully they outnumber the right in the house. I say thankfully because they'll prevent Harper from throwing this country too far back in time.



THUNDERCHICKEN AND OLD RAVEN . . .

Lets talk about Sweden . . . you are 20 years behind the times . . . Swedes don't come here anymore . . . except for a vacation . . .
Here is a link to Global competitiveness . . . Sweden 3rd . .. Canada 14th

http://www.weforum.org/site/homepublic.nsf/Content/Global+Competitiveness+Programme%5CGlobal+Competitiveness+Report

I have been to Sweden 3 times in the last 6 years . . . also Germany, Denmark and Holland. Swedes now pay to go to the Doctor, it costs money to stay in a Hospital and they are in the process of privatizing their National Daycare Program. Their income taxes are much less than ours. You see Socialism doesn't work . . . look at France, double digit unemployment, subsidies, handouts, welfare out of control.

Swedes built the foundations for the Confederation Bridge . . . because we couldn't . . . .
The fast ferries the NDP built in BC were aluminum copies of the ones that have been running out of Copenhagen for 30 years.

The Canadian Economy . . . 3 years ago the Euro was $1.80 US, now its $1.21 US. The US economy has been doing well for the last few years, 4% unemployment. 4 years ago the Cdn dollar was 60 cents, now its almost 80 cents, our economy usually follows the US, if they get a cold we get pneumonia . . . In the last couple of years the economy has been driven by Commodities. Gas, Oil, Steel, Cement, Copper, Nickle, Zinc and Lumber all of which have increased dramatically . . . and have driven up the dollar. It is certainly nothing that Chretien and Martin have done because they did nothing but suck taxes.  But manufacturing seems to be on the skids in Canada, 100,000 jobs lost last year, and more to come.
How come the unions cut a sweetheart deal with Honda and Toyota and thoroughly screwed over Ford, GM and Chrysler?
JD Powers says 4 of the top 5 cars in North America are Fords and Chevies, but the brilliant Canuck consumer is buying Corollas and Civics . . . both death traps.

I would love to see you support some of your statements with facts . . . rather than the line most Canadians believe . . . that is proof of nothin . . . most Canadians are just trying to survive from payday to payday, 20 years ago Canadians were saving 20% of their annual salary . . . today they are saving  -.6% . . . they are spending more than they make! I believe Canadians have one of the highest personal debt loads on the planet.

SSM . . . just supply me with the references to the Supreme Court Decision, would love to read it.

Afganistan attacked the US . . . wrong, it was Al Queda . . . they trained in Afganistan, they also trained in Iraq . . . and they may have even trained in Canada . . . we are still harboring a terrorist family in Toronto.
The UN ran the Korean War . . . . but the Democrats (Libs) got the US into Vietnam . . . Clinton attacked Bosnia . . . Chretien sent the troops to Afganistan.

Bush takes Iraqi Oil . . . nonsense . . . the only ones who were benefitting from Iraqui Oil was the UN, France, Germany and Russia. Billions of dollars found their way into their pockets and they funneled billions back to Sadim . . . that is why they were so upset when the gravy train ended. Did you know there was a Canadian conection too, the bank in France that handled all the funds belonged to Power Corporation of Montreal, and evidently some relatives of Chretien were connected. The Oil for Food investigation is still grinding on . . . will be interesting to see the outcome.
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Reply #31
Here we go with the "al-Qaeda did such-and-such in Iraq" nonsense again.. yeah, they did it right next to all those found WMD, right? :rolleyes:

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Reply #32
Quote from: Thunder Chicken
The war in Iraq? Not only are the vast majority of Canadians against it, but now a growing majority of Americans are as well, and the Bush government is under increasing pressure to pull out, no matter how pigheaded that Bush idiot is. Martin knew this and decided not to go, and was cheered on by Canadians as a result. If Harper had his way we'd be over their dying in this unjustified war for oil. And a war for oil it is, because there are a lot of other dictatorships, banana republic governments, and cesspools of human suffering on this planet that make saddam look like a saviour, and Bush doesn't give a rat's ass about them because A) They don't have oil, or B) They'll fight back, or C) Both (like Korea). If you think any majority of Canadians would support sending troops to Iraq you are seriuosly out of touch with Canadians.

 im just droping in my 2 cents but if this war is for oil why is it so expensive?

this is the kind of stuff that makes me wanna just close up shop(usa)and stop helping anyone stop bailing other countries out stop being team america world police(f*ck ya) and put a 5 mile border around the us and if any thing moves shoot first then ask what they where doing

man the more i think about it maybe moving out to montana wyoming idaho and joining a millita group aint such a bad thing 

ok that was more like 27cents but thanks back to canada politics :D

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Reply #33
Quote from: kyle2ooo
im just droping in my 2 cents but if this war is for oil why is it so expensive?

this is the kind of stuff that makes me wanna just close up shop(usa)and stop helping anyone stop bailing other countries out stop being team america world police(f*ck ya) and put a 5 mile border around the us and if any thing moves shoot first then ask what they where doing

man the more i think about it maybe moving out to montana wyoming idaho and joining a millita group aint such a bad thing 

ok that was more like 27cents but thanks back to canada politics :D



lmfao! ur alright man :giggle:
:birdsmily:

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Reply #34
bump...
:birdsmily:

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Reply #35
The only response I'm giving is this. I can vote which ever way I  well want. If you don't like it, you can bite my ass. I didn't fly into you for voting Conservative. I have my reasons, so swallow it.

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Reply #36
I was going to vote for the New Democratically Liberal Reformed Conservative Green Communists, but someone left them off the ballot!
Death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth.

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Reply #37
Quote from: oldraven
The only response I'm giving is this. I can vote which ever way I  well want. If you don't like it, you can bite my ass. I didn't fly into you for voting Conservative. I have my reasons, so swallow it.


go ahead thats your opinion and you can stick to it, but usually you would vote for a party because you have a good reason... :nono:  then you ask why i voted conservative and i gave my response dont take it personal man...
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Reply #38
I did have a good reason. I explained my position without bashing any particular party (and that's after you called my choice a waste of a vote. I even stated that I supported some of Harpers policies), then you went all Super Republican on me. That's the way you came across, anyway.

So, as long as someone is telling me I voted the wrong way, because I didn't vote theirs, I'm going to take it personally. Hopefully you can see where I'm coming from.

I didn't come in here looking for a politics war, but that's what I met.

 

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Reply #39
Discussion of politics most often if not always turns into a war.  That and religion are two things that I generally try to avoid discussing although sometimes the temptation for debate is too strong to ignore.
-Jim
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