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Reply #15
Resurrecting this thread, I just read in the news that Harper won.  The conservatives' first victory in 13 years.
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Reply #16
yeaht hey did thank god! better choice then the green or ndp
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Reply #17
Quote from: turbo88
yeaht hey did thank god! better choice then the green or ndp


I voted Green. :tg:

I normally vote Liberal, but seeing how they totally don't deserve my vote after the last couple of years, I went elsewhere. I didn't even make my decision until I was standing in the booth. There was no way in hell Harper was getting my vote, though.

The Conservatives knew it would be a minority, as did everybody else. That's why the big promises were made. They were all making promises they knew they didn't have to keep. We may see a handful of those 190+ programs actually make it through the house. The rest were empty, and were inteded to be that way.

We won't see an election for a few years yet. The Liberals need to trasfer power, then elect a new leader, then get that leader some face time. The public needs to get to know the Liberal leader and see him stand up for some major issues in the house before they would ever move for an election. Even still, they need the NDP and the Bloc to join in, which won't be easy. The NDP won't be pushing for the polls for any reason, since they are now stronger than they have been in decades. If the Liberals get stronger again, and the Conservative trend continues, the NDP know they will lose a lot of seats in the next election. The Bloc are indifferent, and even if the Grits and NDP jump the gun, they still need the Bloc.

So prepare for four years of absolutely nothing getting done (just like the last minority gov. but worse, since the right has an even smaller lead than the left that just lost power). You can count on four years of massive spending, as the house spins its wheels to get no where.

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Reply #18
I voted NDP, only because the Sackville NDP candidate has always served us well (and he always wins).

I would have rather seen Harper crash and burn, but if he is gonna be PM I'm glad it's a minority. I have to disagree about the duration of his term, though, Oldraven: There was so much bad blood before and during the election I really can't see these parties getting along in parliament.

I do agree with your statement that Harper knew full well that he wouldn't have to deliver on any of his promises, too. Take the gay marriage thing: he knew he'd never be able to deliver on this promise and made it a point to avoid answering questions on just how he intended to go against teh constitution, but now he can have his "free vote", knowing full well he'll lose, but he will look at his supporters and say "At least I tried"...

Personally, as I mentioned above, if it wasn't for Harper I'd have voted Conservative, and I think a whole lot of others would have, too. I think if this government doesn't last you'll see a new leader in the Conservatives as well as the Liberals
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Reply #19
I like Conan O'Brien's coverage of the debates :)  Anyone else down here see it?
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Reply #20
I didn't vote. My excuse is (and it true )that I lost all my identification with my wallet on Sunday, and I still cant find it.:mad:

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Reply #21
Quote from: LSX
I didn't vote. My excuse is (and it true )that I lost all my identification with my wallet on Sunday, and I still cant find it.:mad:


That would be pretty much the only excuse I can side with. For everyone else, if you're able and you pay taxes, you owe it to yourself to vote on how your taxes get spent.

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Reply #22
Quote from: oldraven
I voted Green. :tg:

I normally vote Liberal, but seeing how they totally don't deserve my vote after the last couple of years, I went elsewhere. I didn't even make my decision until I was standing in the booth. There was no way in hell Harper was getting my vote, though.

The Conservatives knew it would be a minority, as did everybody else. That's why the big promises were made. They were all making promises they knew they didn't have to keep. We may see a handful of those 190+ programs actually make it through the house. The rest were empty, and were inteded to be that way.

We won't see an election for a few years yet. The Liberals need to trasfer power, then elect a new leader, then get that leader some face time. The public needs to get to know the Liberal leader and see him stand up for some major issues in the house before they would ever move for an election. Even still, they need the NDP and the Bloc to join in, which won't be easy. The NDP won't be pushing for the polls for any reason, since they are now stronger than they have been in decades. If the Liberals get stronger again, and the Conservative trend continues, the NDP know they will lose a lot of seats in the next election. The Bloc are indifferent, and even if the Grits and NDP jump the gun, they still need the Bloc.

So prepare for four years of absolutely nothing getting done (just like the last minority gov. but worse, since the right has an even smaller lead than the left that just lost power). You can count on four years of massive spending, as the house spins its wheels to get no where.



why would you not vote for harper? and why vote for green? what a waist of a vote, i strongly agree with harpers agenda, for example joining missle defence, and dropping kyoto, as well as lowering gst...if green ran this country all buisnesses would be run out and we would be a 3rd world country in a matter of years....... i would like to hear your reasoning in not voting for harper...
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Reply #23
No vote is a "wasted" vote. (unless you were wasted when you voted, and did something silly like write-in "Mr. Bill" or something like that) :p

I got a bit of that kind of talk when I voted Libertarian down here in '04.. but there was no way I was voting for either of the major candidates. I like being able to sleep at night, thanks. :D

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Reply #24
Quote from: turbo88
why would you not vote for harper? and why vote for green? what a waist of a vote, i strongly agree with harpers agenda, for example joining missle defence, and dropping kyoto, as well as lowering gst...if green ran this country all buisnesses would be run out and we would be a 3rd world country in a matter of years....... i would like to hear your reasoning in not voting for harper...

I dislike his hardline views, like gay marriage, that he seemed to be adamant about in the last election, but this time around he went soft on, or opted out of giving any real answers at all. He's too friendly with American Republicans for my liking, and, above all, he has no problem telling the Canadian people that if he were in power at the time, we'd be sending our troops to Iraq. I didn't like the BS promises he made. 190+ new programs (and he wants to shrink government? Yeah, right.) that all cost money, billions in some cases, yet lower GST, and eventually get rid of it altogether. Which, I might add, was a conservative tax to start with. If you increase spending but decrease income, you put yourself in debt.......... pretty much exactly like the last time the Conservatives got in power. Plus, I'm a leftist, so why would I vote for the Right?

I do like his support of the border guards to be armed. I like the Conservative tendancy to support a respectable military. I don't like Conservative tendancy to use it needlessly, or offensively.

No vote is wasted. The only wasted vote is one that isn't cast. The Green party will never gain power in Canada, and I knew my riding wasn't going to win. But for every vote cast in Canada, that party is awarded X amount of dollars to fund further development of the party for the future. Though I don't expect the green party to ever gain power, I do think that a few Green seats in the house would have a very positive impact on our country.

I like their proactive stance on health care. Make healthier citizens rather than pour more money into an already too expensive health care system. Higher taxes on things like Cigarettes, booze, and junk food is a way to lower the amount of people using the health care system, rather than just provide more doctors, and pay more to support these needlessly unhealthy people draining the economy.

It's a different way of thinking, and I think we can all agree, the system needs to come at things from a new perspective in order to grow and improve. They are also the only major party in Canada that isn't completely corrupt, or at least partially.

Another reason I voted Green was to give the Liberals a slap in the arse. What are my options? Vote NDP? I've seen what the NDP can do. BC anyone? Conservative? No, they are fundamentally different in their mindset than I am.

So I didn't vote Green because I'm some tree hugging flake. I actually did take my time and consider the choices (Yes, I even considered voting Torry). To me, it was a matter of principle. I voted for those who I believed in to make the most positive change.

So, why did you vote Conservative?

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Reply #25
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i would like to hear your reasoning in not voting for harper...

Being a Maritimer I could give you a myriad of reasons why Harper would never get my vote, but the fact that he is a right-wing nut that would roll human rights in this country back two decades to placate his right-wing supporters, and the fact that he'd send Canadian troops overseas to die in a useless, unjustified war to placate his right-wing buddy down south are plenty reason enough...
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Reply #26
I forgot to mention. The four Maritime provinces are all Conservative provinces. If the Tories are so good at managing Economics, why are those four economies and industrial sectors akin to a barren wasteland? They have done nothing for my people but cut jobs and community spending. The single biggest attraction in Guysborough Co. (my home Co.) is the historical settlement of Sherbrooke Village. Two years ago the government cut their maintenance butget. All of it! It's a historic village of buildings over a century old. All it is is maintenance! We managed to get a third of that budget back. Yeah, thanks for the help Hamm.

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Reply #27
Quote from: oldraven
I dislike his hardline views, like gay marriage, that he seemed to be adamant about in the last election, but this time around he went soft on, or opted out of giving any real answers at all. He's too friendly with American Republicans for my liking, and, above all, he has no problem telling the Canadian people that if he were in power at the time, we'd be sending our troops to Iraq. I didn't like the BS promises he made. 190+ new programs (and he wants to shrink government? Yeah, right.) that all cost money, billions in some cases, yet lower GST, and eventually get rid of it altogether. Which, I might add, was a conservative tax to start with. If you increase spending but decrease income, you put yourself in debt.......... pretty much exactly like the last time the Conservatives got in power. Plus, I'm a leftist, so why would I vote for the Right?

I do like his support of the border guards to be armed. I like the Conservative tendancy to support a respectable military. I don't like Conservative tendancy to use it needlessly, or offensively.

No vote is wasted. The only wasted vote is one that isn't cast. The Green party will never gain power in Canada, and I knew my riding wasn't going to win. But for every vote cast in Canada, that party is awarded X amount of dollars to fund further development of the party for the future. Though I don't expect the green party to ever gain power, I do think that a few Green seats in the house would have a very positive impact on our country.

I like their proactive stance on health care. Make healthier citizens rather than pour more money into an already too expensive health care system. Higher taxes on things like Cigarettes, booze, and junk food is a way to lower the amount of people using the health care system, rather than just provide more doctors, and pay more to support these needlessly unhealthy people draining the economy.

It's a different way of thinking, and I think we can all agree, the system needs to come at things from a new perspective in order to grow and improve. They are also the only major party in Canada that isn't completely corrupt, or at least partially.

Another reason I voted Green was to give the Liberals a slap in the arse. What are my options? Vote NDP? I've seen what the NDP can do. BC anyone? Conservative? No, they are fundamentally different in their mindset than I am.

So I didn't vote Green because I'm some tree hugging flake. I actually did take my time and consider the choices (Yes, I even considered voting Torry). To me, it was a matter of principle. I voted for those who I believed in to make the most positive change.

So, why did you vote Conservative?



So you like gay marriage? I don't . . . I think they should have called it a civil union or partnership or something else like every other country in the world that legalized it did, but I certainly would not have called it marriage. The supreme court couldn't rule on the subject . . . so Paul marshalled his troops and ordered them to vote the party line . . . with the NDP. Harper says he will have a free vote on the issue . . . you obviously don't like free.
Liberals have been taxing us to death for a decade . . . hence 14 billion dollars in Ottawa from just last year. Do you like to pay the highest taxes in the G8? I don't . . . .
Lets talk about Iraq . . . Harper said he would support the US declsion on Iraq . . . there were no troops to send . . . they were already in Afganistan, sent by Libs. What do you have against freeing 26 million people from a brutal dictator? They had a better voter turnout 80% than we did in Canada! Sadam was also financing famlies of suicide bombers and had trained over 8000 Al Quada terrorists.
The US is the greatest country on the planet, Canada has digressed in the last 13 years under liberal control. Healthcare 30th in the world, high taxes, crime (property crime double that of US), out of control big government(our civil service in Ottawa is the same size as the US . . . we have 1/10 of the population), and unprecedented corruption in the federal govt.
The Liberal party has moved so far to the left in the last 30 years it is hard to tell them from the Socialist NDP's . . . . last year 100,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in eastern Canada, Woodwards, Eaton's and now the Bay have either gone broke or were bought up by US concerns.
The Liberals said they would eliminate the GST, they didn't . . . Harper says he will reduce in to 6% and then to 5% . . . he will! They Liberals said they would give us govt daycare . . . 12 years later we are still waiting . . . but why would you want the govt to look after your kids???? They can't run Medicare, they can't run a Gun Registry . . . what makes you think they could look after your kids????
The Scandinavian countries along with the US are the top five countries in the world. Denmark has just re-elected its second Conservative Govt. Sweden and Finland have been moving to the right for over a decade. The Scandinavian Countries have the best educated populations on the planet, lead the world in many high tech areas. cell phones, bridge const, off-s oil, safest autos, and envorimnental technologies.
Of course you wouldn't want LOW TAXES, ACCOUNTABILITY, A MILITARY THAT COULD ACTUALLY PROTECT OUR BORDERS, JUDGES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PUT THE CRIMINALS IN JAIL. A federal govt that looked after the federal issues and stayed out of the Provinces hair so they could look after their responsibilities. It seems to me that a lot of Canadians are Stuckonstupid . . . .
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Reply #28
You actually brought Sweden in as an example of right-wing politics??? Um, have you ever even spoken to a Swede? I knew a couple of Swedes a few years ago, and if you think OUR government is left leaning, you oughta try Sweden. They have some of the highest taxes in the world to support their cradle-to-grave government welfare system. Their national debt is absolutely crushing. And their government is still going broke.They are well educated, but only because government pays for it. Thing is, once they get out of school, nobody wants to work because it pays better to stay home. The amount that the Swedish government intrudes on the day-to-day life of the people makes the Canadian goverment look non-existant. The Swedes I knew, that came to Canada because it was a better place to live, described their government as "one step above communism". Read PJ O'Rourke's "Eat the Rich" for a humourous look into Sweden's economy.

And their entire automotive industry is owned by US automakers, and any Saab or Volvo fan will tell you that both brands have gone downhill since this happened. And if they lead the world in safety, pollution, etc as you claim, it was all done under a leftist government.

As for the rest of your arguments, they are typical of a right-wing westerner that makes up "facts" as they go along and is sour that the east governed the country for so long.

Same shag marriage? In contrast to your absolutely false statement that "the supreme court couldn't rule on the subject",
the court DID rule, which is what brought the legislation about in the first place. This very ruling is what is going to make it impossible for Harper to steal the rights of those people back in a so-called "free vote" without using the notwithstanding clause, and Harper knows it. He also knows that he doesn't necessarily have to win that vote in the house of commons anyway, as long as he brings it up, because even though the vote will die (and very rightly so), he'll be able to look at his right wing followers and say "At least I tried".

The war in Iraq? Not only are the vast majority of Canadians against it, but now a growing majority of Americans are as well, and the Bush government is under increasing pressure to pull out, no matter how pigheaded that Bush idiot is. Martin knew this and decided not to go, and was cheered on by Canadians as a result. If Harper had his way we'd be over their dying in this unjustified war for oil. And a war for oil it is, because there are a lot of other dictatorships, banana republic governments, and cesspools of human suffering on this planet that make saddam look like a saviour, and Bush doesn't give a rat's ass about them because A) They don't have oil, or B) They'll fight back, or C) Both (like Korea). If you think any majority of Canadians would support sending troops to Iraq you are seriuosly out of touch with Canadians.

The economy? The Canadian economy has been screaming forward so fast that the Bank of Canada has had to put the brakes on it. Our dollar is now worth 87 cents US, compared to the 62 cents it was worth a few years ago. Of course, the Liberals can't take all the credit for making our currency more powerful - the American Right has to take a lot of credit for making their dollar that much LESS powerful. The Canadian national debt is shrinking. We have not had a deficit in nearly a decade. The US debt is growing and they are running HUGE deficits (mainly to pay for Bush's war). And you think a Bush Jr would be GOOD for Canada's economy?

The GST? The Liberals broke their promise to get rid of it, true enough, but it was the conservatives that rammed it down our throats to begin with, even going so far as to stack the senate with conservatives to ensure its passage. Funny how conservatives are quick to denounce the Liberals for failing to rind Canadians of a conservative tax...

The highest taxes in the G8? Yes, our taxes are high, but remarkably, our economy is the envy of the G8. Strange, isn't it?

Health care? It was on CNN yesterday that a family sickness was teh number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the USA. I don't know any Canadians that lost their house because they came down with the 'flu or broke a leg, do you?

If it seems a lot of Canadians are "stuckonstupid", a great number (but thankfully not a majority) are "stuckonoutdatedrightwingvalues".

The left took over 2/3 of the popular vote, and thankfully they outnumber the right in the house. I say thankfully because they'll prevent Harper from throwing this country too far back in time.
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Reply #29
Quote from: turbo88
So you like gay marriage? I don't . . . I think they should have called it a civil union or partnership or something else like every other country in the world that legalized it did, but I certainly would not have called it marriage. The supreme court couldn't rule on the subject . . . so Paul marshalled his troops and ordered them to vote the party line . . . with the NDP. Harper says he will have a free vote on the issue . . . you obviously don't like free.


Lets keep the insults to a minimum, m'kay? And that's hillarious, because there's nothing free'er than being denied a basic right that every other Canadian has. And I have to ask. What the hell does two gay people wanting to get married have to do with you? What gives you the right to dictate their lives? Take any basic freedom that you have. Now, picture some group, who have nothing to do with you, and are in no way affected by that particular right that you enjoy, trying to take it away, or deny you of it in the first place. You'd tell them to push off and mind their own business.

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Liberals have been taxing us to death for a decade . . .


GST = Conservative tax.

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hence 14 billion dollars in Ottawa from just last year. Do you like to pay the highest taxes in the G8? I don't . . . .
Lets talk about Iraq . . . Harper said he would support the US declsion on Iraq . . . there were no troops to send . . . they were already in Afganistan, sent by Libs. What do you have against freeing 26 million people from a brutal dictator?


Afganistan attacked, Iraq didn't.

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They had a better voter turnout 80% than we did in Canada! Sadam was also financing famlies of suicide bombers and had trained over 8000 Al Quada terrorists.


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The US is the greatest country on the planet, Canada has digressed in the last 13 years under liberal control.


Excuse me? Are you even a Canadian? That's so incredibly subjective I'm just going to ignore it. And you're flat out wrong. Our nation has thrived over the last decade or more. Our people enjoy more freedoms than the majority of other nations in the world, and our economy is rock solid.

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Healthcare 30th in the world, high taxes, crime (property crime double that of US), out of control big government(our civil service in Ottawa is the same size as the US . . . we have 1/10 of the population), and unprecedented corruption in the federal govt.
The Liberal party has moved so far to the left in the last 30 years it is hard to tell them from the Socialist NDP's . . . . last year 100,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in eastern Canada, Woodwards, Eaton's and now the Bay have either gone broke or were bought up by US concerns.


Blame the Conservative gov. in the eastern provinces for those lost 100,000 jobs, since they are the ones in power there.

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The Liberals said they would eliminate the GST, they didn't . . . Harper says he will reduce in to 6% and then to 5% . . . he will! They Liberals said they would give us govt daycare . . . 12 years later we are still waiting . . . but why would you want the govt to look after your kids???? They can't run Medicare, they can't run a Gun Registry . . . what makes you think they could look after your kids????


What's wrong with Medicare? I happen to like the idea that all Canadians have the same access to medical care, no matter how much money they have. If other countries have a higher quality health care system, that's because only the rich can afford to use it. And I'll agree the Gun Registry was BS.

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The Scandinavian countries along with the US are the top five countries in the world. Denmark has just re-elected its second Conservative Govt. Sweden and Finland have been moving to the right for over a decade. The Scandinavian Countries have the best educated populations on the planet, lead the world in many high tech areas. cell phones, bridge const, off-s oil, safest autos, and envorimnental technologies.


You mean, like Sweden? The Socialist Democracy.

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Of course you wouldn't want LOW TAXES, ACCOUNTABILITY, A MILITARY THAT COULD ACTUALLY PROTECT OUR BORDERS, JUDGES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PUT THE CRIMINALS IN JAIL. A federal govt that looked after the federal issues and stayed out of the Provinces hair so they could look after their responsibilities. It seems to me that a lot of Canadians are Stuckonstupid . . . .


Did you read my post, or are you just ranting? Attitudes like this is why car forums are the worst place on the internet to find calm, civil political discusion. Note that I didn't vote Liberal. ****.