It's Just......Wrong!

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Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #60 – September 13, 2005, 11:24:21 AM

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The cars that stand out in your mind will ALWAYS have something different when it comes to the engine. Let me bold this for ya: The 5.0 is not different. It is now a "me-too" engine, not the trend-setter it once was. It is a 40-year-old engine that has been ported, beefed, hacked, rehacked and done to death (just pick up MM&FF magazine sometime). Some people find comfort in the old-school design and I guess that's alright if that's what makes them happy. But just imagine what something different would do to snazz up an otherwise "ordinary" car.

You're absolutely right, Eric.

No offense, but your hypocrite sticker is in the mail.

For all the uniqueness of your Cougar, you still went with the bread and butter 5.0.

I agree with you, though. The LS1 Mustang is completely unique. It spuppiesed 5 pages in a day. He must be doing something right to set himself apart and get that kind of attention. As for using a rare car, I think he needs his head examined there. This would be perfectly fine in a GT body.

Anyway, bottom line. If you can't apreciate a world class engine because of the name stamped on the block, you are not a true enthusiast. You're a closed minded fanboy. (this isn't for you Eric, just a general statement)

Signed, Adam
the proud owner of a Ford, GM, and Chrysler, and ex owner of a VW, Subaru, and Toyota.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #61 – September 13, 2005, 11:41:07 AM

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No offense, but your hypocrite sticker is in the mail. For all the uniqueness of your Cougar, you still went with the bread and butter 5.0.

Show me another Cougar's engine bay that looks like this, and I'll wholeheartedly agree with you:

The HO 5.0 in the car was never intended for the convertible. I'd bought it in 1995 to stuff into my old black '86. I did a lot of spec work on paper, and for all intents and purposes it was meant to propel the black '86 into the 13's. Also remember at this time (mid-1990's), there was no information in magazines about swapping in an HO motor to our engine bays, let alone info on the Internet.

A scant 9 months after purchasing the convertible, the motor got converted to HO. This was the first attempt I'd ever done at the HO conversion. In fact, I was the first person I ever knew to do it. I learned a lot...so much, in fact, that the info on the site is based upon it. There was no 'instruction manual', there was only my sweat and hard work.

The black '86 got sold in 1998. I got tired of looking at this 4-year-old HO motor, all done up the right way, painted and dressed up, but doing nothing on the engine stand. That is why I took a perfectly good HO-converted motor out of my car and dropped in the current engine.

Would I like a different motor? Sure.
Have I found the ultimate solution for my car? Not yet.
Could I afford the ultimate solution? Probably not.

I waited 8 years to buy the car. I've had it for almost 10. However long it takes to swap motors, that's how long it takes. I'm a patient person. Until then the current engine will have to do.

But I bet if I were to remove it and list it for sale on the board here, there'd be a lot of interested parties. ;)

You can't knock the 5.0 for what it is. For our cars it's almost perfect. But as the LS1 conversion shows, there's still room for imagination.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #62 – September 13, 2005, 11:52:48 AM

Quote from: oldraven

Anyway, bottom line. If you can't apreciate a world class engine because of the name stamped on the block, you are not a true enthusiast. You're a closed minded fanboy.

YES

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #63 – September 13, 2005, 01:29:24 PM

Quote from: EricCoolCats

Show me another Cougar's engine bay that looks like this, and I'll wholeheartedly agree with you:

The HO 5.0 in the car was never intended for the convertible. I'd bought it in 1995 to stuff into my old black '86. I did a lot of spec work on paper, and for all intents and purposes it was meant to propel the black '86 into the 13's. Also remember at this time (mid-1990's), there was no information in magazines about swapping in an HO motor to our engine bays, let alone info on the Internet.

A scant 9 months after purchasing the convertible, the motor got converted to HO. This was the first attempt I'd ever done at the HO conversion. In fact, I was the first person I ever knew to do it. I learned a lot...so much, in fact, that the info on the site is based upon it. There was no 'instruction manual', there was only my sweat and hard work.

The black '86 got sold in 1998. I got tired of looking at this 4-year-old HO motor, all done up the right way, painted and dressed up, but doing nothing on the engine stand. That is why I took a perfectly good HO-converted motor out of my car and dropped in the current engine.

Would I like a different motor? Sure.
Have I found the ultimate solution for my car? Not yet.
Could I afford the ultimate solution? Probably not.

I waited 8 years to buy the car. I've had it for almost 10. However long it takes to swap motors, that's how long it takes. I'm a patient person. Until then the current engine will have to do.

But I bet if I were to remove it and list it for sale on the board here, there'd be a lot of interested parties. ;)

You can't knock the 5.0 for what it is. For our cars it's almost perfect. But as the LS1 conversion shows, there's still room for imagination.

And quite a 302 it is. :) I can't say I'm breaking any molds with my TC either though. You're just helping me make a point. A car can still be one of a kind and get lots of praise and attention, but still have a dime a doezen motor. You can dress up a 350 too, remember. ;)

I too like would rather see something unique under the hood. Like the late model Iroc I saw a month ago. I've seen a thousand Irocs, but the reason I'll never forget this one is it had a Lingenfelter Performance Engineering LT1 under the hood. Complete with an LPE air conditioning system. An LT1 in a Camaro is like seeing a B18 in a Civic. But never have I even heard of an LPE Camaro. Up until then, I've only seen them in Vettes.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #64 – September 13, 2005, 02:31:37 PM

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Anyway, bottom line. If you can't apreciate a world class engine because of the name stamped on the block, you are not a true enthusiast. You're a closed minded fanboy.

I just won't mix and match. I would never put a Ford or Mopar engine in a Corvette, and would not put a GM or Mopar engine in a Ford or a Ford or GM engine in a Mopar. Just doesn't seem right to me is all.....

I'd swap an LS2 into my Oldsmobile if I still had it, but into a Mustang.....just aint my thing.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #65 – September 13, 2005, 02:56:45 PM

Ooh, ooh, ooh, can I join in?!

Man, I killed almost my whole lunch hour here at work reading the 7 pages of posts. I like to call myself a purist, and of course I prefer Fords over the others. I've got 4 Ford products in my driveway, and have actually owned only one GM in my whole driving lifetime. My thinking is: if you can afford to do it, and it's not just a cookie-cutter of everybody else's, do it. I do sometimes get bored when I see old Ford rods with 350/350's in them, but I know it's mainly because of the low cost. Five or six years ago I rebuilt a 428CJ for my '69 Mach 1 (which I had to sell after a job layoff), and I know exactly why lots of people choose SBC's. Fords, and especially older big-blocks (FE's specifically), are not cheap to build or rebuild when compared to Chevy's. I had $400 in pistons alone in the CJ. But I love being a little different. I "prefer" keeping like products with like products, but that's not an absolute. Somewhere I saw a '69 Charger with a Viper V10 in it that was very sweet! At a car show last year in my little small town there was a '57 Vette with a late-model LT1 in it that looked like the factory built it. A car I actually want to own someday if the price is right is an '84/'85 Mark VII with the turbo-diesel Beemer (who ever thought of that one originally?). But, I'd have to "LSC" it up in solid black and ditch the chrome, hubcaps, and whitewalls. Heck, the Taurus SHO had a Yamaha motor in it.

I personally wouldn't have put the LS1 in an already rare Cobra Mustang, but that's just me. If he made it work, though, more power to him.

The Vette with a Ford 460 is a first for me! I don't think I've ever heard of a Chevy vehicle going with a Ford powerplant, and especially not in a Vette. Good for him, too.!

Fordman3

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #66 – September 13, 2005, 03:33:35 PM

Just to make this more interesting.........http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35108

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #67 – September 13, 2005, 03:56:47 PM

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You're just helping me make a point. A car can still be one of a kind and get lots of praise and attention, but still have a dime a doezen motor.

The only reason the 5.0 is a dime a dozen is because of ONE car: the Mustang. Take that out of the equation and it's a good solution for a RWD car.

The reason the 350 is a dime a dozen is because of nearly every RWD Bowtie product made since 1955.

There's a big difference there.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #68 – September 13, 2005, 04:26:31 PM

Quote from: EricCoolCats

The only reason the 5.0 is a dime a dozen is because of ONE car: the Mustang. Take that out of the equation and it's a good solution for a RWD car.

The reason the 350 is a dime a dozen is because of nearly every RWD Bowtie product made since 1955.

There's a big difference there.

now thats a very good point

i remember back in the day when it used to cost two to three times the amount of money build a ford or mopar..

now i won't take anything the new 4 and 6 bolt main chevys but back in the day it was tons's of money for a chevy or anything 4 bolt main in those day and since you could build a 2 bolt chevy for real cheap. where others would cost up to three times as much even in two bolt mains.. but the chevy 2bolt main will only handle about 300 or so rear wheel HP before it dissasembles it self very rapitly!!! where's a ford&mopar SB's would handle over 400+ rear wheel HP...but cost three times as much to rebuild.so "in the 70's and 80's" street racers/weekend racers used the chevy SB they did'nt care at the time if it blew up it was cheap to rebuild..

which is why when i was growing up i was never was into chevys i allready have a nose i don't need another.. and is another reason i desided to get a cougar istead of another mustang.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #69 – September 13, 2005, 05:54:38 PM

Kind of off-topic but what about people that don't have a lot of mechanical skill but still want to try an engine swap? Plus all the other people (like Eric) that simply cannot afford to be as creative as their imagination wants them to be?

I think that ANY mechanical work done to ANY car is worth some appreciation if the owner did it themselves and took the time to learn and do it correctly.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #70 – September 13, 2005, 07:22:31 PM

Quote from: Tbird232ci

OMG TEEHEE FORD IS KEWL!

so lets see, 460, been done thousands of times, 351, been done many times, stroked 302...probably 920 strokers being built as i type this, hell, all of this has been done ON THIS BOARD

ever heard of the term "cookie cutter", or "unique" or "differnet"

apparantly not, i guess there will be a stock HO in your car soon too huh?

What's unique about a small block chevy. it's still a small block push rod chevy 350 big deal. You can put any name in front of it .it is what it is. And what if I do have a HO in my bird?

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Reply #71 – September 13, 2005, 10:00:48 PM

I find all this somewhat amusing.. probably since my definition of unique involves not using a V8 for whatever becomes my big project. 5.0? 351? 460? Modular? SBC? BBC? LT1? Hell, even a Hemi.. they're all still V8s. What happens when all the V8s are done in these cars..?

(of course, what I want to use is so hideous, even Chuck "the pointless swap man" won't touch it.. heh)

What does it even matter if it's "unique" as long as you like what you have and it works for you?

Also, for something oldraven said: What does it get you, exactly, to be a "true enthusiast" or whatever vs. a "fanboy"? (I hate that term.. also hate the term "closed minded", because it's little more than "You don't see things my way, so you're closed minded" when the vast majority of people use the term now) Does it earn you a discount on gas or parts or something? If not, it's worthless.. at least as I see it.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #72 – September 13, 2005, 10:17:48 PM

This is a Ford-Only message board. 5.0s are boring. We will only discuss 4.6, 5.8 and 7.5L swaps, no more old shiznit. Because there is no longer any discussion of any cars besides Fords, I will ban myself now because I drove a Mopar.

Goodbye.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #73 – September 13, 2005, 11:12:23 PM

Quote from: Bird351

(of course, what I want to use is so hideous, even Chuck "the pointless swap man" won't touch it.. heh)

Your 300 swap? Yeah..most likely not. Mainly because I'm not too keen on the potential for it to totally c*&k up the handling with the extra wieght hanging over the front axle (seeing as it's such a long engine and all)..however...I am looking into a Aussie X-flow head/intake to swap into the 200 I have in the Z7 (which may wind up in the 80 XR-7).

As far as the LS2 swap into the Cobra goes.....meh. I've never been a fan of Chevys period...they just don't do it for me. I can appreciate the work, but I'd keep on walking past it once I saw what it was. It's just not all that interesting to me...a Cobra with ugly paint...blah....oh, and it has a Vette engine? Double blah....I usually don't give them a second look (esp the newer ones). Now the guy with the Fairmont with the LS1 is a bit more interesting to me, but still it's mainly a drag car...sooo.............

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #74 – September 14, 2005, 09:06:56 AM

Quote from: Ifixyawata

This is a Ford-Only message board. 5.0s are boring. We will only discuss 4.6, 5.8 and 7.5L swaps, no more old shiznit. Because there is no longer any discussion of any cars besides Fords, I will ban myself now because I drove a Mopar.

Goodbye.

Oh shiznit. I drive a Dodge for about 5 months of the year (and occasionally through the other seven months, when a truck is required). Does this mean I'll have to ban myself come the end of October when the T-Bird gets mothballed for the winter?

And what about this coming spring, when I finally decide to get myself that Volvo 850 T-5 wagon that I've always wanted for a daily driver? I'll always have my T-Bird, of course, but will I still be welcome when I'm putting most of my miles on a Volvo? And a FWD one at that? And a Wagon! Oh, dear...

This is a Ford-oriented messageboard, for sure, except one area. The lounge is here to discuss everything from girlfriend problems to the weather. That includes Chevys, Dodges, Hondas, Packards, or whatever.

The important thing to remember about people putting any engine in their car is that it's their car and they're doing what they want to do with it. Whether I would put an LS1 into a Mystichrome Cobra (which, I've gotta agree with Chuck here, is an ugly color anyway) is irrelevant because I have neither a Mystichrome Cobra nor an LS1 to stuff into it. That guy had the car, he had the engine, he had the tools, and he did what he wanted to do. And in my opinion he ended up with a better car. Better than a supercharged DOHC swap? Probably not, IMHO, but certainly better than a N/A DOHC "swap" (can't really call it a swap as the Cobra had one of these to begin with).

And an LS1 swap couldn't really be considered a bellybutton bowtie swap anyway because the LS1 shares nothing with the old small blocks except its bore spacing. It has no more in common with the 350 than it does with a 302, 351 or even 318/340. As many 350's as you'll find in just about every car including Mustangs and Thunderbirds, you simply don't see many LS1's, so it is a "unique" swap. For now.