It's Just......Wrong!

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Reply #45 – September 12, 2005, 01:50:36 PM

Personally I'd like to know about the hoops he had to jump through to get his car repainted Mystic again...

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Reply #46 – September 12, 2005, 04:35:28 PM

Quote from: EricCoolCats

Nice. I remember at Fords@Carlisle in 1997 there was a dude that parked a C3 Corvette in the infield. Everyone was like, WTF? Until you waded through the crowd surrounding the car and saw the Ford 460 stuffed very nicely under tha hoodie.

he was there this past year aswell, me, my gf, and tbird(shawn) were walking from the parking lot and watched him pull through the gates. People were laughing an pointing an shiznit, walked back by later when his stand was up. to find out he had a 460 in it.

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Reply #47 – September 12, 2005, 07:31:01 PM

KEEP IT REAL FORD IN A FORD. WHY SO MUCH LOVE FOR LS1's WHEN WE DRIVE FORDS? IF HE's BLOWIN UP MOTORS IT'S NOT THE MOTORS FAULT SOMEONE IS NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT
AND I DON"T THINK IT'S FORD. I FIND IT FUNNY THIS IS A FOX SITE YET PEOPLE ARE DEFENDING CHEVY AS IF THAT'S WHAT'S KING HERE.

I MEAN IT'S THE GUYS CAR AND HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS.
BUT IMO HE JUST MESSED THAT CAR UP. CREATIVE I JUST DON'T SEE IT! I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH REDLX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
. FORD :bowdown:

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Reply #48 – September 12, 2005, 08:05:00 PM

Quote from: 88foxt

KEEP IT REAL FORD IN A FORD. WHY SO MUCH LOVE FOR LS1's WHEN WE DRIVE FORDS? IF HE's BLOWIN UP MOTORS IT'S NOT THE MOTORS FAULT SOMEONE IS NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT AND I DON"T THINK IT'S FORD.
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OH BUT It IS, YOU SEE THE 4.6L WAS DESIGNED TO DO 3 THINGS

Make decent NA power

Get great gas mileage

Last for many miles.

Not to mention the most important issue be cheap to produce.

In order for the engine to rev freely and get great mileage, the internals were made with lightweight (py) components. It has "I" beam connecting rods that are about as thick as my thumb, hyperautectic pistons, and ringlands that break extremely easily. Hell, I've seen 4.6's break ring lands just from spark knock! The stock shortblock was not meant to have any type of forced induction PERIOD. The parts just can't take that stress. If you force induce one and it doesn't break immediately, you are only running on borrowed time. The only real "safe" way to force induce one is the never go over 6psi, run it rich and pull the timing out. Most V8's even force induced ones would still run like , but since the 4.6 does well with forced induction, you could still turn decent numbers with this setup. That doesn't safe-gaurd it from blowing up still. Most people try and get away with it anyway simply due to the fact that a forged motor is that pricey. It is actually cheaper to just replace the motor when it breaks (as another DOHC can be had close to new for about 1,500.00) . Don't belive me? go to the corral or any mustang site for that matter and do a search with "blew my motor up".

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Reply #49 – September 12, 2005, 09:02:05 PM

hell..there all junk....

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Reply #50 – September 12, 2005, 11:40:55 PM

Quote from: Mercoug302

OH BUT It IS, YOU SEE THE 4.6L WAS DESIGNED TO DO 3 THINGS

Make decent NA power

Get great gas mileage

Last for many miles.

Not to mention the most important issue be cheap to produce.

In order for the engine to rev freely and get great mileage, the internals were made with lightweight (py) components. It has "I" beam connecting rods that are about as thick as my thumb, hyperautectic pistons, and ringlands that break extremely easily. Hell, I've seen 4.6's break ring lands just from spark knock! The stock shortblock was not meant to have any type of forced induction PERIOD. The parts just can't take that stress. If you force induce one and it doesn't break immediately, you are only running on borrowed time. The only real "safe" way to force induce one is the never go over 6psi, run it rich and pull the timing out. Most V8's even force induced ones would still run like , but since the 4.6 does well with forced induction, you could still turn decent numbers with this setup. That doesn't safe-gaurd it from blowing up still. Most people try and get away with it anyway simply due to the fact that a forged motor is that pricey. It is actually cheaper to just replace the motor when it breaks (as another DOHC can be had close to new for about 1,500.00) . Don't belive me? go to the corral or any mustang site for that matter and do a search with "blew my motor up".

THAT ALL MAY BE TRUE BUT STILL FORD IN A FORD , DO A 460,351 or stroked 302 anything ford no chevy power in a ford.

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Reply #51 – September 12, 2005, 11:59:54 PM

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Make decent NA power

Get great gas mileage

Last for many miles.

Not to mention the most important issue be cheap to produce.

and this is not true for gm....?

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Reply #52 – September 13, 2005, 10:02:55 AM

And for my next trick: http://www.teamjdm.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=178
Not too creative, but Ford motor in a Ford and not too much PSI. 2/3 of funds saved.

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Reply #53 – September 13, 2005, 10:33:29 AM

we aren't defending chevy's, and this is a car messageboard, no nessesarry just a FORD message board. we love cars. cars cars cars cars cars. and no lying that chevy makes a few good products.

I personally wouldn't have done it, but it will make it different then every other run of the mill 5.0/350 out there and no lying that it will be ed fast. do i like it, not really. already said that. but not gunna bust his balls to bad when he can smoke me in a drag race and did all that work.

and nice little SC setup..

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Reply #54 – September 13, 2005, 10:39:33 AM

Quote from: Paul Flockhart

And for my next trick: http://www.teamjdm.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=178
Not too creative, but Ford motor in a Ford and not too much PSI. 2/3 of funds saved.

Hey... It's only $4995, I'll take two.... :D

On the original topic, I don't really think he should be swappin a Chevy engine in a Mystic Cobra(or really any Cobra, but attrition is what makes them more valuable in the future. Hey I'm doin my part to increase the TCs value). But its his bought and paid for, so like it or not the desision is wholly his.

But I do say a 4.6 2v(or 3.8) would be fair game. Over on the LSC board a guy swapped a LS1 in a Mark VII.

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Reply #55 – September 13, 2005, 10:48:10 AM

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I don't really think he should be swappin a Chevy engine in a Mystic Cobra(or really any Cobra, but attrition is what makes them more valuable in the future.

i agree...i would have rather seen it fixed, sold or whatever and then secrafice a v6 stang...maybe even a gt. the mystics are georgeous cars and the value of his is pretty much gone, not that they are all that valuable. its just not something i would have done. but its not my car. honestly, i dont care if it was the last mystic on earth and he stuck it in a crusher...come to think of it...he kind of did i guess, and he did a favor for anyone who has a pure one....

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And for my next trick: http://www.teamjdm.com/shop/product...products_id=178

:headbang: :ies: :laughing: :bowdown:

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Reply #56 – September 13, 2005, 10:53:00 AM

I dont see what the big deal is. Its a motor in a car. Big deal. Chevy isnt that much diffrent. Its got the same insides and hell, the mustang motor looks almost just like an LS1 anyways. There both similar in many ways. The chevy one just comes with good easy power and the mustang one just takes alot of work.

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Reply #57 – September 13, 2005, 10:57:51 AM

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The chevy one just comes with good easy power and the mustang one just takes alot of work.

Let's use the latest edition of both motors....
LS2=400 HP ----> 66 2/3 HP per liter
4.6 3V =300 HP -----> 65.21 HP per liter

Both come with good easy power. The LS2 has more because of it's size advantage. SIZE MATTERS (BTW my wife can't complain

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Reply #58 – September 13, 2005, 11:13:42 AM

Quote from: 88foxt

THAT ALL MAY BE TRUE BUT STILL FORD IN A FORD , DO A 460,351 or stroked 302 anything ford no chevy power in a ford.

OMG TEEHEE FORD IS KEWL!

so lets see, 460, been done thousands of times, 351, been done many times, stroked 302...probably 920 strokers being built as i type this, hell, all of this has been done ON THIS BOARD

ever heard of the term "cookie cutter", or "unique" or "differnet"

apparantly not, i guess there will be a stock HO in your car soon too huh?

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Reply #59 – September 13, 2005, 11:20:42 AM

I will start of by saying I'm not taking side in this becasue it is his car an who care what anyone else thinks of it but him.

Now for original why don't you try putting a flat head anything into a fox. I have never seen that and it would kinda be cool. Especialy with a flat head ford v8 with 3 1 barrel cars and cromed heads.