It's Just......Wrong!

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Reply #15 – September 11, 2005, 11:40:09 AM

I Don't care how "cool" of a swap it would be, to put a GM motor in a ford is just disrespectful, and that goes the other way around. And what is your guys' deal? you need to pick up a new mustang and fast fords magazine and see what ford owners are doing with the 4.6. Come on now, six bolt mains, over head cams, high rev capabilites... it has great potential for awsome performance motor.
I think that I will just stick with my windsor small blocks for now,
I'm quite fond of them, or mabye I'll get into the 335 series one day.

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Reply #16 – September 11, 2005, 12:25:46 PM

why does anyone care really? and engine is an engine. wether its chevy or not dosent really matter. Its still got heads camshaft and oil filer. There really isnt any difference. And who cars if a 32 ford has a chebby engine? Most of us would kill to have a car the exact way that we want it. So why ridacule everyone else for doing what they love? A SBC with 400+ hp is kickass no matter who made it or who owns it. It could be a junkyard fix from a blown engine, or it could be a $11000 custom shop job. Its still a 400hp mustang. So stop getting you panties in a twist and sit down and shut up. If you dont think that is cool then good for you. Is it blastfumious to add a 9" rear to a chevy car? Is it wrong to add a chevy 6 speed to a small block ford? All the trannies are made by the same people. There is a t56 in a viper corvette and mustang. There are ford blocks in some dodge trucks with the hemi heads. Yeah dodge's 400 hp trucks have old ford engines.

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Reply #17 – September 11, 2005, 01:20:03 PM

Quote from: Haystack

yeah 400+ hp on a stock engine with all accesories(depending, I think that they start around 300hp), I think that would kill a 215 hp stang any day....

A '96 Cobra would have 305 hp.

Re: It's Just......Wrong!

Reply #18 – September 11, 2005, 03:25:05 PM

Quote from: Haystack

why does anyone care really? and engine is an engine. wether its chevy or not dosent really matter. Its still got heads camshaft and oil filer. There really isnt any difference. And who cars if a 32 ford has a chebby engine? Most of us would kill to have a car the exact way that we want it. So why ridacule everyone else for doing what they love? A SBC with 400+ hp is kickass no matter who made it or who owns it. It could be a junkyard fix from a blown engine, or it could be a $11000 custom shop job. Its still a 400hp mustang. So stop getting you panties in a twist and sit down and shut up. If you dont think that is cool then good for you. Is it blastfumious to add a 9" rear to a chevy car? Is it wrong to add a chevy 6 speed to a small block ford? All the trannies are made by the same people. There is a t56 in a viper corvette and mustang. There are ford blocks in some dodge trucks with the hemi heads. Yeah dodge's 400 hp trucks have old ford engines.

Don't forget about PBR calipers. Same as Corvette. I don't see why everyone get's so upset about putting an LS1 into a Cobra. I would do it in a heartbeat if given a chance. :) Brand loyalty means squat these days. I bet if he put that LS1 into an Integra/Civic and made it RWD everybody would be cheering him on. Frankly I get more upset when ppl drop a 5.0 into a TC than I would ever get upset at this guy for destroying 3 DOHCs and slapping an LS engine in his Cobra. My only quam is that he did it to a Mystic Cobra, which is a rare car, but it is his car so it still shouldn't matter. A mod is a mod, reguardless of the part's origin.

But the arguement will never cease, just like the Pushrod vs. Modular debate, so I've wasted my time typing this... darn. :disappoin

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Reply #19 – September 11, 2005, 04:07:55 PM

RX7 SBC
RX7 SBC
Time Slip

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Reply #20 – September 11, 2005, 04:29:10 PM

If you want to put a chevy engine in a Ford Car, is Okay......
If You want to drive over a cliff is Okay,Too....
If You want to Drive over a cliff with the Chevy Engine in the Ford Car is completely OK.....

For some of Us the Sense of Loyality Ford Car-Ford Engine is an important thing....

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Reply #21 – September 11, 2005, 04:32:49 PM

Quote from: darkthunder

Brand loyalty means squat these days.

..to *you*.

I have four Fords out in the front yard that say otherwise for myself.

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Reply #22 – September 11, 2005, 04:44:04 PM

Quote from: tbirdmanjwg

I Don't care how "cool" of a swap it would be, to put a GM motor in a ford is just disrespectful, and that goes the other way around. And what is your guys' deal? you need to pick up a new mustang and fast fords magazine and see what ford owners are doing with the 4.6. Come on now, six bolt mains, over head cams, high rev capabilites... it has great potential for awsome performance motor...

Try putting ANY type of power adder on one that doesn't have forged internals. The DOHC has had six bolt mains since it was first produced. That does not stop it from spitting the internals everywhere when more than 6 psi is put on it. Yes they have great power potential when SC'd (I've seen cars with more than 700 rwhp on boost alone) but they are dammed expensive to make them last. I priced out many a 2V N/A buildup back when I had my 1996 cougar. The 2V motors have the most aftermarket support right now since there are so many cars with them. Getting a forged 2V motor that can produce approx 350 HP with good parts you are looking at more than $8,000.00 on the motor alone. For a DOHC you are looking at more than 10. Just regular replacement parts for the inside of that motor are expensive. You can go right to summit and buy an LS1 complete with everything to hook it up for less than 4K, have a baseline of 320 HP and have very far to go from there. I personally don't give a F what the badge says on the car. The only reason why my 88 XR7 doesn't have any other brand engine in it is solely based on the fact that I'm too lazy to force another brand in when my 351 fits fine. I guess the only thing I can say is that I would've first tried to get my hands on an '03 Cobra motor before forcing a GM engine in there.

Quote from: Red_LX

A '96 Cobra would have 305 hp.

It's *supposed* to have 305 hp. However put one on a dyno next to a 305 HP z28 and see which is which. I have never seen more than 254 rwhp from a 1996-1998 cobra. Likewise I have never seen less than 280 rwhp from a 1997-1998 Z28. Hell, my 98 LSC with "290 HP" has never put down more than 210 rwhp. I don't think my drivetrain is costing me 80 hp. Quite a difference from the factory rating.

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Reply #23 – September 11, 2005, 05:24:09 PM

Quote from: Bird351

..to *you*.

I have four Fords out in the front yard that say otherwise for myself.

yeah I dont know anything about brand loyalties,.... Being as i have 3 cougars 1 tracert a full sized ford econoline a crownvic and a tempo.....hmm that is what 7 ford cars.(and three of them are 5'0 )

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Reply #24 – September 11, 2005, 05:37:25 PM

Last 5 cars have been FoMoCo products. Heck I even had a hand in turning my in-laws over from the darkside after their fiasco with the Grand Am.

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yeah 400+ hp on a stock engine with all accesories(depending, I think that they start around 300hp), I think that would kill a 215 hp stang any day

96-98 2V -- 215 HP
99-04 2V -- 260 HP
Mustang 4V N/A -- 305-320 HP
Mustang 4V SCed -- 390 HP
2005+ 3V -- 300HP

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So stop getting you panties in a twist and sit down and shut up. If you dont think that is cool then good for you.

My *ahem* "panties" aren't in a twist. This IS a forum where one can voice their opinion. That's all I was doing.

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It's *supposed* to have 305 hp. However put one on a dyno next to a 305 HP z28 and see which is which. I have never seen more than 254 rwhp from a 1996-1998 cobra.

The Chevy motor in this case is underated. They are widely known to have been. The same is true for most Ford engines after the Cobra incident when they were rated at 320 HP and things just did not add up. 254 is just about right for a motor rated at 305 perhaps slightly on the low side..... 17 percent drive line loss.
I've seen newer Cobras rated at 390 pull 385 STOCK.

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the 96 mystic I rode in was super fast probably the fastest stock mustang I have ridden in. havent had a chance to ride in an 05

They are pretty close. A good driver can pull low 13's out of a stock 05 manual, I've seen 13.6's for the auto (again stock).
The few mods I've done will put me in front of an LT1 and most likely on par with an LS1.

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I priced out many a 2V N/A buildup back when I had my 1996 cougar. The 2V motors have the most aftermarket support right now since there are so many cars with them. Getting a forged 2V motor that can produce approx 350 HP with good parts you are looking at more than $8,000.00 on the motor alone. For a DOHC you are looking at more than 10.

http://www.vtengines.com/low_engines_longblocks.htm

http://www.vtengines.com/low_engines_shortblocks.htm

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Reply #25 – September 11, 2005, 06:20:30 PM

Brand Loyalty? Hmmm...

There's a Ford and a Dodge in the driveway that are mine, and two more visiting Dodges that belong to my father and sister. I've owned Saturns, Volvos, Daewoos, Nissans, Toyotas, Pontiacs, Chevies, Hyundais, Hondas (Motorcycles), Jeeps, and probably others I've forgotten. Apart from the six Thunderbirds & Cougars I've owned I've almost no Ford loyalty (the only other Fords I had were a Tempo and a Galaxie 500). I "root for" Ford in comparison tests in magazines, but only because I know the GM cars are gonna lose and I wanna see a domestic win. Apart from the new Mustang and the GT Ford does not make a car that interests me. GM's Corvette and GTO are the only cars that float my boat from that camp. DCX, however, has several cars I'd be proud to put in the drivieway...

I'd still rather see a Ford in a Ford, though. I don't have anything against GM engines and have had several SBC's myself, but I do get bored looking at them. MM&FF magazine is almost as bad, though, with its 100 pages of ads to make your 5.0 exactly like every other 5.0 in the magazine...

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Reply #26 – September 11, 2005, 06:53:01 PM

Quote from: Paul Flockhart

. . .http://www.vtengines.com/low_engines_longblocks.htm

http://www.vtengines.com/low_engines_shortblocks.htm

When you add in the only intake manifold capable of supporting a hi-po 2V ( the $1700.00 SVO intake)

That leaves you with:

GT "Street" $6895 + $1700.00 = $8595.00 still a heck of alot more than an LS1. Not only that, but those blocks use production NPI-PI heads that are CNC'd. Getting modular heads CNC ported from a REPUTABLE machine shop is a 1,600.00 order. If you were to use SVO heads that were CNC'd you're looking at anywhere from $1000.00 to 1,600.00 more than that.

Second, those kits use stock PI camshafts. God forbid you were to use a set of comp of crower cams (1200 per pair). The bottom line is, those prices are even more exorbitant because my example of a hi- po 2V included using aftermarket cams and CNC'd SVO components. These guys are charging 7000.00 for an engine with ported stock heads and stock cams. Not worth it IMHO.

The 4V'er isn't quite as expensive as it used to be, but still not cheap.

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Reply #27 – September 11, 2005, 06:58:55 PM

No argument here. That was actually in support of what you said about the prices

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Reply #28 – September 11, 2005, 07:00:20 PM

Quote from: Paul Flockhart

No argument here. That was actually in support of what you said about the prices

Oh, sorry 'bout that.

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Reply #29 – September 11, 2005, 07:06:57 PM

For something a little more geared towards our fox bodies:http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=7367

Modular motor parts are expensive unfortunately.....I'll just have to keep workin OT