Your Opinions September 04, 2005, 11:19:50 PM I've been cruising the net today looking mainly at stang sites. Svtperformance.com to be honest. I was looking at alot of their vidsand then went into their forums on turbo vr supercharging. Now in my opinion from the vids I seen the turbo cars whip ass, not taking anything from the modded 03/04 Cobras the are fast. But those turbo stangs were really fast. What i'm getting at here is what do you guys/girls like to have? n/a, turbo, supercharged, stroker or a combo of? Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #2 – September 05, 2005, 12:09:52 AM I think turbos are definitely better than centrifugal superchargers. You can't beat the bottom-end punch a roots-type blower will give you though, I've always liked them for that fact.However, I've always wanted to build up a Mustang with a stroker in it (351 or 302). Just can't beat the simplicity of n/a power :) Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #4 – September 05, 2005, 12:02:12 PM I too love the twin turbo's :D Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #5 – September 05, 2005, 06:52:17 PM I like turbos too. But it does anybody do all motor any motor? and the price of turbo kits are crazy (v8 kits) ! Supercargers are cool bolt on and go no fab for this to fit no custom this ,very nice . This is the problem with turbo kits I've check on. Now I know there are a few out there that fit well for the v8's but look at the price. Seems like you could have a nice motor built. For the price of some of those kits $6000 or more for a v8 turbo kit is alot of money. I know you pay for speed but man! This is aimed more at the v8 t-bird crowd not the turbo coupe owners you guys/girls already have a turbo. :D Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #6 – September 05, 2005, 11:15:55 PM http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/ check out the "diy/junkyard" section. These guys build thier own turbo lits. :D Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #7 – September 06, 2005, 01:05:35 PM I pick both. :D170hp from baseline to 7000rpm, from 1.4L SC/turbo that gets 32/48mpg. Now bump that displacement to 2.3L and drool with me. Full article. Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #8 – September 06, 2005, 09:50:57 PM Man I hate big plastic engine covers... Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #9 – September 06, 2005, 10:00:28 PM Lemme get this straight. that VW has BOTH?! In a production car that rolls off the assembly line? I've seen full out drag cars like that, but to see it made for everyday use by a major company is very innovative. If I had to choose a forced induction method it would be A roots or screw type blower......Me likey torque! :D Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #10 – September 07, 2005, 07:57:17 AM Well, I always wondered if there was a reason to combine a turbo and a supercharger.. looks like they found one.QuoteThe maximum boost pressure of the “Twincharger” is approx. 2.5 bar at 1500 rpm, with the exhaust turbocharger and the mechanical supercharger being operated with about the same pressure ratio (approx. 1.53). A straight exhaust turbocharged engine without compressor assistance would only achieve a pressure ratio of about 1.3 bar here.1 bar = like 14.7 psi, right? Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #11 – September 07, 2005, 10:17:44 AM Quote from: Bird351Well, I always wondered if there was a reason to combine a turbo and a supercharger.. looks like they found one.Yeah, cheap fun. :DQuote1 bar = like 14.7 psi, right?I was wondering the same thing. 36+PSI? This is European data, so perhaps bar is calculated differently there. I don't know. Anyway, even at one bar, that's a lot of boost for 10:1 compression. :wtf: Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #12 – September 07, 2005, 10:20:39 AM http://onlineconversion.com/pressure.htm1 bar = 14.5037738 pound/square inch [absolute]so....2.5 bar = 36.2594345 pound/square inch [absolute] Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #13 – September 07, 2005, 10:42:59 AM twin charging is not new, and been done alot in very limited applications, you get the immediate boost response and torque of the roots (or twin screw) supercharge then when the turbo kicks in you get your added boost provided by the turbo, and the roots style sc won't pressize the incoming air beyond a point so you aren't "over boosting" the system or they will bypass or bleed extra pressure very complicated.they are pretty wicked, but very very exspensive and a pain the ass to tune right Quote Selected
Re: Your Opinions Reply #14 – September 07, 2005, 11:36:11 AM Quote from: Funky Crickettwin charging is not new, and been done alot in very limited applications, you get the immediate boost response and torque of the roots (or twin screw) supercharge then when the turbo kicks in you get your added boost provided by the turbo, and the roots style sc won't pressize the incoming air beyond a point so you aren't "over boosting" the system or they will bypass or bleed extra pressure very complicated.they are pretty wicked, but very very exspensive and a pain the ass to tune rightYeah, Lancia and Nissan have already done it with the Delta S1 and March, but in very limited production on the Lancia part, I hear. It was also used on old war planes, but I think this is the first for such a high volume production, and certainly the first 'clutched' supercharger combined with a turbo.Hey VW, while you're at it, I think the new 3.2L VR6 needs one of these setups too. Esspecially with 4-motion. Quote Selected
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