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Reply #15
Quote from: V8Demon;449508
The Mustang is faster, but it doesn't have that........SOUL...... it doesn't FEEL alive.  It's close, but only after putting a ton of work into it.  The Cougar is intuitive.  An extension of myself if you will what with everything I've done to it.  Even the LSC has a hankering of that feeling in stock form. 


Somewhere before 2000 auto manufacturers lost that.  The car as a machine is overall a much better piece of equipment than what was the average offering 30 years ago.  I'd LOVE to take my wife's 2012 Focus SE with it's 160 hp 2.0l engine and take it to the dragstrip against the Mark VII; both in totally stock form with fresh tune ups.  I think the extra 2 gears and less weight would put them pretty close. 

I can pretty much guarantee that the Focus would smoke any STOCK fox body Cougar/Tbird.  It pulled 143 hp on a friend's dyno.  That translates to less than an 11% drivetrain loss....


Still doesn't mean it's more fun to drive.  FWIW -- I've driven the old 3rd gen Camaros that were around when the fox platform was in full swing.  They don't hold a candle to our cars.  THey still have more character than most new stuff.


I agree!  I really like my '07 3v Mustang, but when driving the T-bird as a driver I just feel so much more "precise".  I can heel toe really well in the T-bird but find it difficult to do with the pedal arrangement and hydraulic clutch in the 'stang.  Maybe its just because the T-bird has been with me for so long, but it just fits like an old baseball glove or something.
'88 'bird, 10.9:1 306 w/TFS top end, forged rods/pistons, T-5 swap & bunch of other stuff, 1-family owned, had it since ‘98, 5.0tbrd88 on Instagram and YouTube

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Reply #16
Hopefully you get this fixed and taken care of so you can enjoy the car again. I do feel like I'm actually driving my Thunderbird much more than my Mustang. Mine rides very well, almost like a newer car, but the snarl from the engine and the way it preforms makes it feel more alive to me.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #17
Paul, let me know if stuff doesn't work out with your buddies block.

Mine was ordered through autozone almost 10 years ago as replacement for a 85gt. I bought another car with a blown motor, swapped the block in and it only had 1st gear. Literally maybe 4 or 5 hours of run time on it, and a few around the block drives trying to get more then 1st gear to engage.

It just has some stock junk on the top end, new oilpump and that's it. The junkyard wanted $450 for a used trans with a 30 day exchange. I found a car with burned up wiring for $350, swapped the fuse able links in it from the car with the bad engine and trans and it ended up running really well. So i ended up just pulling the motor out and throwing it on the stand and haven't touched it since.

Every car I've had, even with higher miles, I've beat the crab out of and not changed the oil or done anything to prolong its life, and none of them ever blew the engine. When the body, suspension or trans cost more to fix then replace, i just bought another $500 car.

Id rather the block went to a good home then collected dust for another 10 years. I remember looking at pictures of your car in the sleazy board days and i wanna say it was cat of the month once? I wanna say you swapped it from a 3.8 to the 5.0 and other things. If a couple hundred dollars would help you keep your car going, id want you to have it.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

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Reply #18
Put a manual gauge on her today....

Hot idle 700 RPM:  8 PSI
2000 RPM Hot :      25 PSI


That's a far cry from the 20ish and 50+ I had 2 years ago.  The new block gets picked up next week.. ..
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #19
Quote from: V8Demon;449565
Put a manual gauge on her today....

Hot idle 700 RPM:  8 PSI
2000 RPM Hot :      25 PSI


That's a far cry from the 20ish and 50+ I had 2 years ago.  The new block gets picked up next week.. ..

That's a little on the low side.....
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #20
Juuuuuuust a bit.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #21
I HAD TA

1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane

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Reply #22
OK.  The plan is swap all my stuff onto the new block MINUS the intake manifold.  A work colleague has a Holley Systemax II that's been sitting collecting dust.  Should work with my combo nicely. 

Also; anyone got any NICE valve covers that they're willing to part with?  Something not stock?  Mine are.......MEH.....



The car has to go a last 15 mile drive to where we're gonna be tearing into it.  I have some Mobil 1 15-50 here that I may as well swap in before that.  I wanna see what's in my pan without pulling her apart in my driveway.  My neighbors were pissed enough I was messing with the car at 1 o'clock in the morning this week.....

I'll add.  I know ANOTHER person who was running an old Powerdyne BD-11.  He has a new setup now, but I think he's still got the old blower and it was in good condition when he pulled it off......

  it  it  it  it  it  it  it  it.......  This car keeps pulling me back in!!!!
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #23
this sux to hear ,

there is a mistake somewhere for this to be happening., regardless there is a noise.

my 20th does this all the time but im at 288k miles now.  I just run rotella 15-40 and ignore engine noises. 

I don't really care, theres no noise when im pushin on the gas so .............


we had my sons block line bored and the shop punched in new crank journals , should have been back to perfect specs but.....  in order to get .001 or less oil clearance we had to wet sand the back side of each bearing journal individually and remeasure.    some of his clearances were in the tenthousanths range so he ran a thin oil for a long long while.

I hope you can remember or find the documentation on what your mains were,, and rods.  maybe you started out too floppy and then made the mistake of running thinner break in oil too long.

I just want to hear bout you fixing it or I have your 1500$ now.  its funny cause your car is where we are heading to with my old white coug that's going to chance my youngest boy.  He filled up diapers in the back seat of that car,, we are building a 20year plus survivor he can enjoy.  we make small step progress almost daily and he's really learning a lot.,, and I can only teach what I know and im no expert.


I Know you well enough now im pretty sure you will CSI the crime scene and update us on where the problem is ,, im interested to see this myself because your not the kind of person to allow too much risk into your projects.

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Reply #24
I changed the oil.

No signs of metal or anything obvious.  Cold start idle pressure with the new was 46.... A marked improvement.  OK.  Hot idle:  20.....  2000 RPM Hot:  44.  Weird... It was running around 10 minutes when I took the readings for hot. 

I used the exact same part # filter as before.  The old oil was put in back in early April.  It had approximately 300 miles on it. 

On to the noise.  Interesting to say the least.  With a dead cold engine not running, I grabbed the #1 primary header with my hand .  I give it pressure in an up or down motion.  Not a lot.  I hear a knock every time.  Nothing feels loose.  I figured the headers were rubbing on the motor mount.  Nope.  I'm wondering if the Mount bolt is loose....

Regardless, the old block is coming out.  I have a multitude of stuff I've been amassing to upgrade.  There is possibility of a supercharger as well...  Apparently an acquaintance changed his setup and still has his old unit.  We'll see.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #25
Kenne Bell?
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #26
Old school Powerdyne BD-11 rebuilt with the 928 Motorsports kit.  IF it happens, I plan on running it at low boost (6PSI or so) along with the bypass valve that came with their kit that upgraded to higher boost (9+ PSI).  Pressure on the backside of the impeller on sudden decel is what killed those blowers in stock form.  They should have made EVERY kit with the bypass.  This is why you can pick one up so cheap now.  People don't realize just how easy they are to rebuild and then the also easy steps to keep them running a long time without issue.....
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #27
Sounds like fun. If you're swapping to another block I'd go with head studs and decent head gaskets. It shouldn't be needed but 6psi can magically turn into 9-12psi........;)
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #28
I may be swapping my 1.6 rockers for a set of 1.72s as well.  They guy I know with them can't use them with the camshaft he wants to run (.595 lift with 1.6; .619 with the 1.7s). I'll check PTV with what I have and see...
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #29
Dang.....I wish I had a supercharger. LOL. Glad you kept the car.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..