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I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Saw this:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-FORD-MUSTANG-SPECIAL-SERVICE-FAN-CLUTCH-SSP-POLICE-5-0-REAL-DEAL-/121434780430?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c4613b30e

$259.99.  I'm glad I picked mine up when I did.  Performance Parts Inc. shows them as "Sold Out."  Wonder if any more will pop up. 

Fox parts are getting expensive.  Remember when you could pick up a known working A9P ECU for $25 bucks?  They go for 10 times that now.....

What other parts have you guys noticed have skyrocketed in price recently?
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #1 –
Wow.
He had one earlier this year for 139. And I thought he was full of shiznit so I didn't buy it because BEFORE THAT, the website was selling 'em for $99 and I got one for the red car.
I'd like one for the black car, although I don't think I really super-duper need it. Being a stick, and having a Mustang fan and the thick aluminum radiator, it did well this summer on the hottest days even sitting in traffic.

Frankly that just ain't worth it IMO. Might as well do an electric fan setup or something. I think the "heavy duty A/C" clutches and a Mustang fan, along with a GOOD thick radiator with the right alloy/construction will move the heat you need to move.
I have heard that the A9 computers have really gone up in recent years, specifically because of people putting "old" (huhhhh? LOL) 5.0's in '60s Mustangs.


I bet that the design and makeup of the bimetallic strip/spring in a thermal fan clutch is exactly what makes or breaks it...the rate that the one side expands at is going to give you the curve of how much it engages when needed and how much it freewheels when NOT needed.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/63-gm-diesel-engines/20-6-2l-diesel-engine/369661-modifying-fan-clutch.html  These guys talk about moving around the anchor point by making another notch in the little bracket that the stationary end is held at. This wouldn't help with HP drain, just with cooling.

So someone's gotta find out who makes those springs/find a part #/let them sample an SSP clutch spring to measure its response and generate specs, then spit 'em out so we can convert all of our clutches to "SSP" clutches! :hick:
1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane
 

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #2 –
I've been doing some research and it seems that a good upgrade on the cheap is the heavy duty F-150 fan clutch for a 5.0.  I might hit up a parts store to price one out and take a look if they have one in stock.

My car runs a hell of a lot cooler now than it used to with the new 3-row rad/9 blade fan/SSP clutch.  I can sit in 100 degree traffic without issue now.  I'm looking for parts now that will hopefully be around for a while that will do the trick when my current ones bite the dust many years from now.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #3 –
A truck clutch sounds legit. Definitely worth testing.
The ear can definitely tell if its a major difference...you hear a LOTTA air moving. I'll be sure and test the spring modification. I'm a lot less concerned with the power loss when it comes down to it. If I have to make a compromise, it'll be in favor of cooling every time.

I do hope at some point a repop market will appear...all depends on the future interest in the vehicles.


EDIT - to further the original intent of the discussion...There's one or two eBayers that I am convinced have a PILE of both left/right NOS units, some with the bracket, most without.
That part seems entirely dependent on the seller. Some want triple digits, others will let 'em go for $50-60. Keeping in mind that I think it was quoted on here that $500 per set is what a Ford dealer wants IF they have 'em, even low $100's is a deal.
1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #4 –
That fan clutch is worth it. I got one a few years ago for $99. That fan clutch with a 2 row (1inch each tube) aluminum radiator, 9 blade HO fan, and a 180* thermostat works great. The car runs 180* (give or take 5*) in all weather, A/C on or not.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #5 –
Found some good info here:  http://forums.corral.net/forums/general-mustang-tech/1378511-police-clutch-noise.html

Hayden Part # 2783 would be their "Severe Duty" application that should work nicely.  There's a link to the application chart in that thread

http://www.haydenauto.com/upload/HaydenAuto/Documents/Cat_Hayden/2007-hayden-fan-clutch.pdf

FWIW that particular part # can be had for $54.91 from Amazon.com as of the time I post this.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #6 –
You know I've SEEN those Hayden diagrams but like...just glossed over it. Don't know why I didn't take note of the percentages. I used to think it was on/off, not still slipping just a little even at "full" engagement.

Sounds like the police clutch may not be anything exotic, just shifting the range, not expanding or contracting it. The Hayden severe duty sounds perfect, that actually DOES expand the range. Less drag when you don't need it, and lots of cooling when you do. For $54 on Amazon, I think I'll take the plunge and test it.
1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #7 –
Quote from: ZondaC12;438645
You know I've SEEN those Hayden diagrams but like...just glossed over it. Don't know why I didn't take note of the percentages. I used to think it was on/off, not still slipping just a little even at "full" engagement.

Sounds like the police clutch may not be anything exotic, just shifting the range, not expanding or contracting it. The Hayden severe duty sounds perfect, that actually DOES expand the range. Less drag when you don't need it, and lots of cooling when you do. For $54 on Amazon, I think I'll take the plunge and test it.

If it works let us know. It would be a viable replacement for the Police Interceptor clutch.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #8 –
I bought SSP fan and clutch a few years ago...didn't realize they had went out of production.  I'll have to say it was a fairly cheap upgrade that made a huge difference in summer driving for my car.  It always runs cool now.
'88 'bird, 10.9:1 306 w/TFS top end, forged rods/pistons, T-5 swap & bunch of other stuff, 1-family owned, had it since ‘98, 5.0tbrd88 on Instagram and YouTube

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #9 –
Edit:  Also yeah i have noticed the price and availability of parts is scarce in my area.  You don't see many 30 year old cars now a days.  10 years ago parts were cheaper and on the shelf.

A junkyard 3.8 Taurus fan, controller, and those ties that go through your radiator make it ezpz to free up some HP.  Hundred buck job for the life of the car.
84 TurboCoupe with 302 .010 over - 9.8 : 1 Forged Pistons - Edlebrock Goodies:  Aluminum Heads #6037, Intake #3821, 65mm TBI/EGR #3824/3827, Camshaft #3722 -  Interactive System & Technologies Mass Air with 24# Injectors - A9L - 3g Alternator - BBK shorties, Cat Converter H-pipe, Magniflow lers - World Class T5 1352-169 (1986, V8, WC, 3.15 3.35 1.93 1.29 1.00 0.68) OEM Clutch Cable - 7.5 Trac Lock with 3.08 and slapper bars from 82 Mustang.

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #10 –
Looks like the Imperial brand of fan clutches made for Advance Auto (and possibly other stores) is made by Hayden.  If you're looking for the Hayden part # 2783, tell the clerk at the counter you're looking for a fan clutch for a 1991 Dodge Dakota 4WD with the 5.2 V8.  The Severe Duty 2783 equivalent is an OEM substitute.  It will not spec anything less for that vehicle.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #11 –
Well, picked up an Imperial 215130 (same as 2783) and a new thermostat and heater to water pump hose.  Replaced all the back ones last week on the Mark VII and the thermostat hose decided to let go today.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #12 –
Quote from: custompunk;438903

A junkyard 3.8 Taurus fan, controller, and those ties that go through your radiator make it ezpz to free up some HP.  Hundred buck job for the life of the car.
Does moving the fan load from the water pump to the alternator result in less fanbelt load on the engine?

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #13 –
I know you are making a point but,,
I think someone here tested this out and arrived at the conclusion that the alternator driven devices burden a gasoline engine more than mechanically driven.

I'm guessing the last of the SSP clutches got c00ched up.....

Reply #14 –
JUUUUUUST GREEEAATTT.....

I paid $229 for this back in May.....  http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=M8005A+01

$400 as of the time of this post.....  Talk about something that shot up FAST!

At that price, I'll look for a decent aluminum one for next time......
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!