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So I have sent off my '67 Mustang that i am restoring off to paint. I'm buying the paint for the painter, so i have a question. What is a good mid range Paint Brand? Thanks
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Reply #1 –
The only mid-range paint that I have used lately, and can vouch for as being worth the money, has been Eastwood's Single Stage Urethane paints. Which I will say, is a  good product at only around $120 a gallon. I've been using their stuff for a few mid-range driver quality restoration paint jobs here and there, for about a year now, and it seems to hold up really well. Never had a single complaint. Sprays and lays down really nice as well. I'm gonna be using their Primer/Base/Clear on my '88 TC soon, since that car will only be a mid-range, driver quality car (more concerned with going fast, than looking immaculate). On my Lincolns, I use PPG products exclusively, which are much more expensive, but worth the money, if you are going high-end.

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Reply #2 –
Quote from: FirstBird;410520
I'm buying the paint for the painter, so i have a question.

Wouldn't that depend on what the painter has experience with? There are some small differences between paint brands which can completely change the quality of the finished product. People who do it day in and day out perfect how to spray some paints. Also, is this just paint, or is all the bodywork still needed? If the body work has been done, that may also affect the paint choices.
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Reply #3 –
I went with Shop line witch is a ppg product great for overall but wont match on a repair
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Reply #4 –
We switched from PPG's shop-line to the Sherwin Williams ATX line. Of course I do spray it every day. But on occasion I spray SW's Ultra 700. Fantastic paint. Sorry Big B but I like the SW alot better.

OP, find out what your painter is familiar with then go that route.


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Reply #5 –
SIKKENS or LASERUS for the high end cars and built cars. Beater cars i think he used  PPG. I am not a body man JR IS. But he tells me WATER is what he uses now and we are completely changed over to it. From what he tells me the base coat is not as critical as the CLEAR. If the Clear is shiznit the paint wont last and breaks down and gets YELLOW. My state if i am not mistaken has to be water compliant by the end of 2014 not 100% Will ask JR today at work. Thanks
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Reply #6 –
always use a paint your painter is used to spraying, or it could cost more in the long run.
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Reply #7 –
Quote from: 1BadBird;410598
We switched from PPG's shop-line to the Sherwin Williams ATX line. Of course I do spray it every day. But on occasion I spray SW's Ultra 700. Fantastic paint. Sorry Big B but I like the SW alot better.


No need to say sorry bro, you prefer what you prefer, and I'm sure you have good reason. They are stuck on PPG here, they have some kind of contract at the shop, and it's all that they stock the shop with for the most part. I get a discount buying from them, so I usually don't buy from anywhere else. The paint is top of the line, and sprays/lays like it. I use the eastwood line on some of our cheaper driver quality projects, and it has been working out great. Those vehicles sit out in the sun all day long, and of the people who opted for clearcoat as well, not a single person complained of any UV fading, even when I talked them them again over a year later. For the price, it has several higher end paints beaten hands down, which is what made me decide to give it a try on my TC. I'm not a "dealer" of eastwood paint or anything, nor do I care if anyone buys it or not, just relaying my experience to someone looking for a known and proven good mid-range paint.

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Reply #8 –
I've shot transstar, sikkens,ppg, martin senour, and planet color. Each one of them shot great. Martin senour I have the most experience with it lays down really nice and covers very well. Trans star 2k primer is one of the best that I've shot

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Reply #9 –
Just spoke to JR tonight and he told me that single stage paint will not last more than 2 years in the weather if that. This is from him not me. I am not a body man. All i do is pay the bills!!!!!
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Reply #10 –
Quote from: daminc;410616
always use a paint your painter is used to spraying, or it could cost more in the long run.

JR did tell me the same thing. He has to do test patterns on just about every paint he uses. He told me every paint and every color is different. One size does not fit all. You are correct daminc as he agrees with your post 100%
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Reply #11 –
Quote from: TOM Renzo;410656
Just spoke to JR tonight and he told me that single stage paint will not last more than 2 years in the weather if that.

 
I don't understand this? Sure a single stage has its drawbacks, and its benefits, but a paint layer is a paint layer. A single state urethane will last forever. Many cars come from the factory with single stage paint jobs. Clear coat wasn't used much before the 1980s, and that is where a lot of the 80's vehicles get their peeling clearcoat issues from - the idea was too new and not yet perfected.

Did paint from old hotrods fall off after 2 years? The lacquers were pretty weak, but they were also easy to touch up.
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Reply #12 –
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Just spoke to JR tonight and he told me that single stage paint will not last more than 2 years in the weather if that.

I don't understand this? Sure a single stage has its drawbacks, and its benefits, but a paint layer is a paint layer. A single state urethane will last forever. Many cars come from the factory with single stage paint jobs. Clear coat wasn't used much before the 1980s, and that is where a lot of the 80's vehicles get their peeling clearcoat issues from - the idea was too new and not yet perfected.

Did paint from old hotrods fall off after 2 years? The lacquers were pretty weak, but they were also easy to touch up.


I can only speak about Dupont Chroma Premier system paints but the chroma premier or chroma one s/s urethane will hold up fine in the weather for decades and is very durable. They do cost about as much as a base/clear job for the materials. They also sand and buff very hard. I would stay away from the acrylic enamel s/s as they will fade and need much more maintenance such as buffing and waxing yearly.

In a shop setting I agree that sticking with what the painter is familiar with is very important. If your painter is a hobbyist and/or just doesn't care what brand, just make sure to get the product data sheets when you order the paint and read them carefully. Any brand of paint needs the correct film thickness for UV protection. Some clears can achieve this in 2 coats, others take 3, same goes for s/s paints.  Many good choices have already been talked about, for midrange paint I would go with martin senour, but have not used it myself in about 15 years.

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Reply #13 –
^agreed. Not sure if renzo was even in the same conversation as us here, lol. :hick:

Most Single Stage Urethanes will easily last for 5-10 years in direct sunlight, before starting to break down. Metallic paints should always be clearcoated for added UV protection though, as they tend to fade much faster than solid colors.

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Reply #14 –
Once again B is laughing at me.  I was just chiming in. From what i know about painting single stage is not something i want on my car. Just saying. With that carry on B always a PLEASURE. Have a nice DAY as usual!!

As i am actually banned from the paint shop by JR. I really dont know why. Here is the stuff he uses. just saying. Once again i am not a painter. I just let JR do his thing and i pay the bills. I know he goes to training where they actually measure the thickness of the material he lays down on a test panel. Either MB or RR paint Speaze or something like that. just saying that's all

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