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Reply #45
Sorry for taking this thread off subject I take responsibility for that. Sorry. Tom was just explaining a question I asked, I should have started another thread

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Reply #47
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Reply #48
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;409926
Hey Charlie...a lot of guys are grabbing the Mustang 5.0 stock shorty headers, and from there an aftermarket X or H pipe (I went with a catless BBK X pipe, in 2.5") and whatever cat-back kit you want. Keep in mind though, that while pretty much every X and H pipe for a Fox Stang will work great, the rest of the exhaust for the Fox Stang will need lengthened a few inches to fit our Birds/Cats, due to the longer wheelbase.

Now for the rest of the system I went with Flowmaster American Thunder, again in 2.5". I got mine for a '87-93 Stang LX 5.0, but you can also use the GT kits, as the tails are a little different because the GT Stangs had the effects, so the tails come out a bit different.

Any good exhaust shop would be able to lengthen the pipes for you, but if you live in a smog area, you'll need to stay with a catted X/H pipe, instead of the offroad version. Obviously the catted part is a heck of a lot more....if you're only looking for lers, but don't know what to get, there's tons of vids on you tube of different exhaust setups. Myself, I decided on flowmasters because of cost, and that's what a friend has on his '95 5.0 Stang, and I think his sounds awesome. Throaty, decent tone at idle, and it doesn't scream like a glasspack when you lay into it. Magnaflow is pretty nice too, but a bit costly, and a little louder.

Thunderjet302 has a nice exhaust on his car, but of course he has a nicely cammed engine, so that affects the idle and the volume a good bit.

 
This really does look like the least expensive way to go to really make a difference. If I were to do it myself I could possibly pull it off within the budget I've set but I really doubt if I'll have the time but we'll see. I'm in the middle of 2 projects on the car right now and I have to start some very time consuming home projects after that which will take a few weeks. At the very least I think I'm going to go with the 2.5 in lers that I want and put off the rest until next winter when I have more time, I've propably spent 150-200 man hours on the car this winter now just on a lot of little things really.  I was hoping to get some gain without getting into too much work but I'll at least try to move in the right direction for the long term.
Since my old cat is the OEM and Tom suggest that it is restricting, do you think I'd have any gain by eliminating the cat in my current system in the short term?
I guess I'll start checking craigslist for the headers in the near future. Any suggestions on where to find the X pipe?
Thanks: Charlie

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Reply #49
Some of these threads get epic lol ..... Lots of good info though


I run 1 3/4 long tubes and a 3" h to 2 chambers to dumps on my 5.0 lol lets stir up the pot some more lmfao


It's over kill but it's a track only car lol

I'm on a budget with the TC and for now will most Likly just run a strate pipe off the cat and ditch the dual tails

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Reply #53
I'll try to revive this in hopes of some simple advice before deciding how to proceed. It looks like 302's suggestion of going with used mustang headers is sound. I found some locally for $35. Does anyone know how restictive the oem exhaust manifolds are as compared to the 1 5/8 shorty mustang headers?
Finding a used x pipe doesn't seem so easy, any suggestions on where to search for this?

Tom suggested that 2" pipes where enough for up to 200 hp.
Foe suggested that my biggest restricted area was at the Y going to a single 2" point followed by my factory cat which creating further restriction.
What if I had the Y cut off and added a short X pipe like this one for $40, then went with my dual 2" to a better ler?
Should I not see some gain from this?


I found an exhaust guy willing to do the work on the side with our without a cat and since i don't have a lift or torch I really hate to tackle this myself.
Tom I know you're against eliminating a cat but you suggest my factory cat is restrictive. Would I see any gain by eliminating the cat and doing without?

Does anyone with knowledge of this know what gain I might get going with the headers to 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 x pipe and high flows but did nothing with the heads or engine?
It sounds like the factory exhaust is really restricting things with my stock 5.0 putting out 165hp. Would I see 20+ hp gain?

Any idea what I might gain by staying with 2 inch pipe but eliminating the bottleneck at the Y?

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Reply #55
Quote from: TOM Renzo;410968
The stock cats are restrictive that is a given. So i am going to say with a dual setup with the x you posted and say a 2" exhaust all the way back with stock manifolds . I would suspect 8-10 HP . That is from experience. The shorty headers dont really do much but better than the cast iron ones. I would suspect a set of shorties will increase your HP by maybe 2 HP over the stock setup. just a guess in my opinion. Figure on app 12-13HP with shorties and a 2" full dual exhaust past the rear axle.. Good luck!!

Thanks, this is very helpful. Would a 2 1/2 X off the headers then 2 1/2 all the way back make a difference over 2" without doing anything to the engine?

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Reply #56
So you cannot find a 2-1/2" off road X-pipe or H-pipe that is used?  Common man, do some searching on the Mustang sites.

http://forums.corral.net/forums/exhaust-parts/1408628-87-95-bbk-catted-h-pipe.html

http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/forums/fox-body-mustang-exhaust-for-sale.299/

Google forums in your area so you do not have to pay any shipping.  Dig man, dig.  Don't pass up on a Fox hatch car cat back as the tail pipes are not visible and can be lengthened.

Darren

83 351W TKO'd T-Bird on the bottle


93 331 Mustang Coupe - 368 rwhp

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Reply #57
Quote from: Aerocoupe;410972
So you cannot find a 2-1/2" off road X-pipe or H-pipe that is used?  Common man, do some searching on the Mustang sites.

http://forums.corral.net/forums/exhaust-parts/1408628-87-95-bbk-catted-h-pipe.html

http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/forums/fox-body-mustang-exhaust-for-sale.299/



Google forums in your area so you do not have to pay any shipping.  Dig man, dig.  Don't pass up on a Fox hatch car cat back as the tail pipes are not visible and can be lengthened.

Darren

I thought I'd have to find something local to make if worthwhile with shipping. I tried all the local craigslist areas and the colorado mustang forum. No luck so far.
I did find a 2 1/2 in H pipe but from reading the thread I thought finding an X pipe would be better. Your thoughts?
I haven't really decided which way to go yet and I'm still searching, new stuff is posted everyday. Any suggestions are appreciated.
 If there's an advantage in going with 2 1/2 over 2" all the way back then I'm still considering that. If not, then it's a great deal of work taking off 25 year old exhaust bolts in the manifold and changing everything all the way back versus cutting the Y and inserting the aftermarket X pipe and staying 2".
BTW does it matter what year Mustang the X or H pipe is from as to how it fits under my fox cougar?

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Reply #58
There's so much stock stuff you can run for cheap.  87-93 is what you'll be looking for.  Mustang stock headers, 2 1/4 Mustang stock H, extended Mustang stock pipes and tails with some Mustang Magnaflows.  You'll want to look for an H from a car with AOD to get the best fit.  The lers will probably cost more than the whole rest of the system if you buy take-offs from Mustang guys on boards and swap meets.  $500, tops all together and you don't have to worry about whether not having cats will hurt you.  I'd estimate 15HP, which seems low, but that intake you're running and those heads and cam would be what's holding you back (in that order).  With an Explorer top end and an HO cam, your exhaust gains would be higher (I'd guess at least 25HP), but the E6 heads, non-HO intake and cam make it wheezy and all the exhaust in the world won't make it suck more air in than the top of the engine can flow.  Like Tom is fond of saying she's an air pump. 
Aside from that, I wouldn't waste time looking for an X, because until you're running high rpms and much more power, you're better off with a cheap and highly available H.  Spend less on an H instead of an X and be able to spend more on everything else.

If you're looking for power and you're only thinking about the exhaust, you're wasting your time.  And if THAT's the case, just go for a good sound.  Guys on the street won't know the difference.

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Reply #59
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;410978
There's so much stock stuff you can run for cheap.  87-93 is what you'll be looking for.  Mustang stock headers, 2 1/4 Mustang stock H, extended Mustang stock pipes and tails with some Mustang Magnaflows.  You'll want to look for an H from a car with AOD to get the best fit.  The lers will probably cost more than the whole rest of the system if you buy take-offs from Mustang guys on boards and swap meets.  $500, tops all together and you don't have to worry about whether not having cats will hurt you.  I'd estimate 15HP, which seems low, but that intake you're running and those heads and cam would be what's holding you back (in that order).  With an Explorer top end and an HO cam, your exhaust gains would be higher (I'd guess at least 25HP), but the E6 heads, non-HO intake and cam make it wheezy and all the exhaust in the world won't make it suck more air in than the top of the engine can flow.  Like Tom is fond of saying she's an air pump. 
Aside from that, I wouldn't waste time looking for an X, because until you're running high rpms and much more power, you're better off with a cheap and highly available H.  Spend less on an H instead of an X and be able to spend more on everything else.

If you're looking for power and you're only thinking about the exhaust, you're wasting your time.  And if THAT's the case, just go for a good sound.  Guys on the street won't know the difference.

Thanks, good info. I thought I might need to look into fox era mustangs but I wasn't certain. The H I found was off a 98 so that wouldn't work. I guess I should bring up that giving up any clearance isn't a good idea living in the area that I do.

As I said in my first post, I have some exhaust issues so my thoughts are since I need to do something why not try to add a few hp if I can do so within a reasonable price. I'm certainly not getting into the heads or intake this year although I did have the intake off a few weeks ago to be able to change the valve cover gaskets. Like anything I'll way the pros and cons and make a good informed decision.