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Accel plug wires

Reply #45 –
Quote from: thunderjet302;403659
You want these: http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=2553 and a set of copper Motorcraft plugs. That will make your car run at it's best.

 
Jebus guys I posted the FRPP wires on page one :hick:.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

Accel plug wires

Reply #46 –
Quote from: thunderjet302;404333
Jebus guys I posted the FRPP wires on page one :hick:.

Yeah, we saw that prior to Tom's on going rant on aftermarket parts. I agree with your choice of plugs and wires completely. That is what I have on my truck. I will put those wires on my Bird when I get the chance.

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Reply #47 –
Quote from: Chrome;404358
Yeah, we saw that prior to Tom's on going rant on aftermarket parts. I agree with your choice of plugs and wires completely. That is what I have on my truck. I will put those wires on my Bird when I get the chance.

GOT IT PRETTY WIRES!!! AND SPECIAL PLUGS!!!

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Reply #48 –
It's not that they only look great under the hood, truth is that most wires out there probably exceed what is needed for most street cars. That's a good thing, because it means we have a lot to chose from. I have 9mm insulated wires on my stock engine and I got a good deal on them. I'm sure they are more than I need.

Accel plug wires

Reply #49 –
Just having some fun 86 dont worry. But being though you responded and i truly respect that. I tried to explain primary current loads in ignition systems with factual inf. I tried to do this as to inform others and get them thinking. Example when the plug gaps go up in a system the primary current goes up 2X more. I have set up test stands and have actually dun extensive testing. This is from experience and making mistakes in my career. Example i towed in a mustang when i was a very  young guy and replaced a burnt out TFI module. To my amazement it went bad several weeks later. I replaced it again and the same thing happened some weeks later also. So i dug in to the system and found a bad plug wire with the cylinder scope. This was before i started thinking about troubles. like why did it fail?? So i replaced the plugs and wires along with a cap and rotor. Presto the car went out of the shop and drove on for years. So it got me thinking why did that happen. So i set up a test bench with a DIZZY a coil and 6 spark plugs. I spun the dizzy in the SUN MACHINE and plotted the current draw. Well i found out that with the gaps set at like .100 the primary current sky rocketed in the primary of the coil circuit. This put a big load on the TFI. Which had to handle the extra current. With that i gaped the plugs at .025. The primary current went down more than half. I get pissed off when people say i RANT. Or call me a troll. Or say things about my SON or try and say i have issues with other sites. We all make mistakes in life but if you or anyone else can say i give out BS info or that i do not try and help people i will take that advice. But if people that do not work in this business and try and tell me that experience IS BS then they have issues. So thanks for being good enough to respond and just for the record i use Motor Craft ignition wires. But i think if people post and everyone has different ideas and ways to do things that is what sharing info is all about. I always like to share mods i do and info i think is necessary. With that now you know why a TUNE IS IMPORTANT ON A TFI IGNITION SYSTEM, And i find it funny that i actually have only a couple of cars with plug wires. And the ones that do are very short. COP AND CNP are the norm today. Young people wont even know what plug wires are along with a timing light. Havent use a timing light in god knows how long. As for plug wires they are going the way of Ignition points. And for those magic boxes that cost a fortune What can i say . Well it is time to go home and close the shop. But the garbage has to go out


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Accel plug wires

Reply #50 –
makes sense tom,, like in the utility side of your electrical service.  if your linear and non-linear loads go up on the secondary, well,, depending on the turns ratio and potential on the primary,,, something has to give.  more load = more current draw.

im always telling my boys they are pushing the envelope gaping plugs on the 5.0 to more than .050.  this is a fairly safe gap to protect the coil and all things considered that the coil gets trigger signals from.

Have you ever for a moment been curious about why the Stator or Pick up down in the dizzy fails?
I did and found that the with a razor knife, you can hack away at the rubber chunk till you get to whats in there.  there is nothign in there but a terminal block wiwth three pins to interface the hull effect to the TFI,,however.............  the black wire is bonded in two places.  its bonded to a female pin in the stator and as well, someone during manufacturing solders a jumper from the black wire to the metal mounting braket.>>this is where i have seen two out of two failures.
the solder connection to the metal bracket becomes loose or corroded and you no longer have the ground part of  your hull effect.

check it out some time.

Accel plug wires

Reply #51 –
Most electronic components are considered bad as i have found out not because the component or the electronics have failed but the connections. With the GM HEI the connections get dirty. Years ago i proved this to my DAD. The EARLY hei used a stator with just clips connecting to the module. Later units used a plastic connector over the female spades. This reduced the corrosion and vibration losses and bad connections. We had an OLDS towed in the shop many years ago with an HEI no spark condition. Now POP was a points guy and pulled the dizzy. He looked inside and was a little set back. So he handed it to me. I have had many apart and i set it in the SUN machine. Spun it and no spark. I removed the spade tips and cleaned them and presto the GM  IGNITION SYSTEM CAME TO LIFE. POP was shocked. This does not count the stators that fail from lead failure by cycling the Vacuum advance. That issue was a failure because of fatigue on the leads. But i never used the vacuum units anyway when i tuned a car. I always RE-CURVED them and eliminated the vacuum unit. They were a waste of time any way and once dun the leads were safe. With that i replaced the components and ran a little solder in the connections and off the OLDS WENT!!! I also do this with FUEL PUMPS. Many times a component is changed and the trouble is corrected. Not because that component is bad but because repacing it cleans the contacts.  Today we have a different issue. Parts obsolesce Example the tank pump replacement assemblies are coming from places like Taiwan  AND KOREA. They are direct replacements and FAIL. Quality control and parts are junk. Below is an example of a unit i had to modify.



Here is the FIX bridge the power feeds together and use the body for the grounds. This solves the issue of GARBAGE FOREIGN JUNK. IS THAT NOT WHAT WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT ON ANOTHER POST. Garbage imports that have inferior components and assembly ??????? The later GM part lasted 140 Thousand miles. It was replaced with this foreign made junk that lasted 6 MONTHS????? Their is something to be said about MADE IN AMERICA. And by the way this AMERICAN modified this tank unit so it actually works!!!!! You SEE MY POINT!!! Thanks Jay
 
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Reply #52 –
JAY just a question??? Where does these aftermarket manufacturers get their wires FROM????? ACCEL does not make wires. Has anyone wondered where the components actually come from??? I HAVE!!!
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Reply #53 –
Tom,
      Great information! When this country was bailing all the car companies out, I don't think Ford took a dime, but from what I saw on the news was that Ford had moved, or built one of their plants in another country. I believe it had to do with paying American taxes. So, how many Ford plants are in America and which products are built here in America? Is the Ford Racing products all built here or are they built in other countries and is their product built to the same standard as when they are built here? I remember seeing a circuit board at work one day that was going on one of our American missiles that had a tag on it that said "China" on it. Corporate America .....I curious to see what they will do now (IF) they do have to start paying taxes.

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Reply #54 –
Quote from: TOM Renzo;404420
JAY just a question??? Where does these aftermarket manufacturers get their wires FROM????? ACCEL does not make wires. Has anyone wondered where the components actually come from??? I HAVE!!!

they come from the lowest bidder because "cheaper is gooder"

Accel plug wires

Reply #55 –
Quote from: TOM Renzo;404419
I always RE-CURVED them and eliminated the vacuum unit. ]

?????  ok, ill bite,, im curious.

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Reply #56 –
Ok years ago cars had DIZZYS with both Vacuum advance units along with mechanical advance units. So in order to use low octane fuels they delayed the mechanical advance and also used a delay vacuum advance as well. So when i did a tune up on these cars i would disconnect the VACUUM units and remove them and use only the mechanical advance for spark advance. I would dial in app 11* in the DIZZY all in at 2200-2500 and 12- 16* at the wheel. This way the spark would be in it"s maximum advance without ping (SPARK KNOCK).  Did this for years and with the vacuum advance removed and the advance plate locked down the dizzy was a full mechanical advance unit. Did this for many years and it would take the stress off those stator wires. They no longer moved. Many a car would come in to the shop with intermittent spark as the advance unit pulled on the stator wires and they opened up. Another words when advanced plate moved the reluctor went open. Hope this explains it.
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Reply #57 –
yes, you did answer, a little over my head but it helped me understand something pointless about the "OCTANE" rod on our cars startor units down in the dizzy.

it doesnt adjust anything really, unless you do some minor changes to how the stator mounts.

sorry for getting off topic.........

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Reply #58 –
Jay the octane strap has numbers on it to indicate the advance or retard. Ford thought it would be easier to set the timing with these strips as apposed to timing the engine with a light. I dont know anyone that actually used them. And i never ordered one. Easier to just grab the light and spin the DIZZY. The timing strips advance and or retard the timing by moving the PIP Or hall effect mount and in turn this adjusts the timing without spinning the DIZZY. Moving the plate adjusts the timing like a VACUUM ADVANCE Used to.
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Accel plug wires

Reply #59 –
Quote from: TOM Renzo;404382
I get pissed off when people say i RANT. Or call me a troll. Or say things about my SON or try and say i have issues with other sites. We all make mistakes in life but if you or anyone else can say i give out BS info or that i do not try and help people i will take that advice. But if people that do not work in this business and try and tell me that experience IS BS then they have issues.
I have never and will never post anything about your son or any other of your family members. I don't care about what you do on other sites and don't plan on hunting you down around the world wide web. When you go on and on and on about something, just because you saw a hint of something you don't like, and don't even pay attention to all the info in other people's posts, I would consider that a rant. In post # 48 you made fun of my endorsp00get of the plugs and wires mentioned on post#5. Those are wires manufactured by Ford Motorsport and plugs that are in fact factory. The spikes that you see on your scope are due to a failed part. Most likely the plug wires. This is why I say the high performance ignition parts need the high performance wires to go with them. Too much energy will cause the wires to fail. This failure will kill the TFI, which you mention in the post I am replying to. For a stock ignition system, the better wires will not hurt anything. As for your info being BS, I think your thought process is correct, it just doesn't always make it to the keyboard. Perhaps it is due to the amount of info rattling around in that head of yours. Or, then again, maybe if you could just calm down a bit......

I can't say anything negative about your past few posts. Very informative. I just wish you could hear what other people have to say and just add to it. I cuss aftermarket spark plugs all the time. I guess that is why I hate Bosh so much. Back at the dealership, I don't know how many times I have worked on a car that just had plugs replaced, and had to explain why they need new plugs. Local parts stores claim Bosh plugs are the best thing ever. The customer puts them in, and when it fails, on to the repair shop it goes.