Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

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Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #15 – June 14, 2005, 04:32:37 PM

slamedcat- that is what I was tlaking about. I did not rleize what edzactly it was, just remembered the paddles.

Would that be considered "manuel" enough??

Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #16 – June 14, 2005, 08:06:51 PM

If you were gonna go that way an AOD or AOD-E with a full manual valve body and an electric OD on-off switch would probably be the best (and cheapest) bet. You could even use the stock column shift so save a helluva lot of money and keep everything up by the wheel

Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #17 – June 14, 2005, 09:00:52 PM

Like I posted in Crystal's thread, similar to what Carmen said, too: Some sort of newer electronically controled auto tranny with electronic shifting. I know there's some of the 4R70W's that, with the addition of some electronics can be paddle-shifted.

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Reply #18 – August 24, 2005, 02:21:30 PM

Does anyone here have a picture or diagram of the clutch pedal setup and where the linkage connects to the trans? I'm assuming the TC is a cable setup as opposed to hydraulic.

I'm not ready to let this idea die just yet

Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #19 – August 24, 2005, 03:55:18 PM

I don't have any pictures, but the 83-86 TC is cable while the 87-88 is hydraulic. The 5.0 Mustang is cable as well - I'm unaware of any hydraulic bellhousing that would work on a 5.0

Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #20 – August 24, 2005, 03:57:47 PM

what about an inline 6 tranny? Dont they bolt up? My dad has a hydralic clutch on his 300.

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Reply #21 – August 24, 2005, 05:16:03 PM

The trans thats in the SC arn't they hydrolic and the 3.8 and 5.0 have the same bolt pattern.

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Reply #22 – August 24, 2005, 06:14:50 PM

Quote from: slamedcat

The trans thats in the SC arn't they hydrolic and the 3.8 and 5.0 have the same bolt pattern.

they use a hydrolic clutch

its a mazda tranny, M5R2, and the shifter location is about 3 inches farther back than in a fox

Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #23 – August 24, 2005, 08:30:42 PM

OK so I know I'm dealing with a hydraulic clutch. The question now is how to hook up the clutch? I guess there are three options...or more.

1. Hook up another hydraulic level on the handcontrols. This one seems the most logical but I'm not sure how to hook it up. Basically I need the clutch pedal and the handcontrol clutch to do the samething independantly of each other. Sort of two parallel hydraulic clutches. Can you have two levers activating the same hydraulic system or will I need two systems? What happens when you activate the two levers at the same time?

2. Use a cable on the handcontrols and go to the clutch pedal. The cable would be hooked up in series with the hydraulic clutch.

3. Use a cable and bypass the hydraulic clutch altogether. Connect the cable directly to the transmission.

Which system will be easiest to use considering I'm using my hand - and probably only two fingers. Also there is only about 1-1.5 inches of travel on the cable.

I really need to see what I'm dealing with.

Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #24 – September 01, 2005, 11:16:29 AM

OK! I think I got this figured out. First an explaination of how the hand controls are set up now.

Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #25 – September 01, 2005, 11:19:56 AM

So here's the idea:

Pulling on the clutch lever pushes the lever down toward the clutch. The length X would determine the mechanical advantage and travel required to push the clutch in.

Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #26 – September 01, 2005, 12:35:25 PM

That would give you the travel that you need. But the cable would be fairly hard to pull. What you would have to do is make it hydrolic and the hook the cable up the the hydrolic clutch. That way it would be some easier.

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Reply #27 – September 01, 2005, 12:56:34 PM

I agree that would be the more eligant solution but how would you hook it up to the hydraulic clutch?

What I would ideally like to do is fine a way to activate the hydraulic clutch's master cylinder without actually moving the clutch pedal. Can that be done?

Re: Using a manual transmission with handcontrols

Reply #28 – September 01, 2005, 02:20:01 PM

you prolly could with some kind of stepper motor..... The biggest problem I would see with that would be that it would burn up sooner or later. Also you would need to finely tune it so that it didnt jerk at all or move very fast. Basically you could just hook it up to a hydrolic clutch the same way that a cable pedaled hydrolic clutch would go. Honestaly I dont know all of the mechanics behind it. But it could be done. The electric motors would be my first choice. You could always use it like a remote control. Just have it like a throttle up and down on a model airplane/car. All that you would have to do is get a really good smooth switch with an even better high tourque motor. The problem being, that high tourque motors would be really slow. To speed them up you would have to make some kind of gear box. I dunno. Just shooting out some ideas for you.
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That would be perfect. Rather then a cable driven extension, you could just have a stationary switch. Not quite on or off switch, but one like the dimmer switch in our cars that would positon the motor at certain points. That way you could give the car, shall we say 10% throttle and still floor it without haveing to touch the clutch and it could stay like that. That would make it easy to shift too. I dunno though.

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Reply #29 – September 01, 2005, 02:24:06 PM

Thanks! Ideas are always welcome. They make me think :)