i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

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i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

February 15, 2012, 01:16:44 AM

what in the name of god was ford thinking with the SOHC 4.6 in the newer F150's? i had to replace a head on an '04 last week and it was a COMPLETE and total nightmare, from start to finish.. first the intake, the the stupid exhaust manifold with their piss poor frame design that blocks all the bottom studs, then the starter (my hand is still cramped and hurting after that 1).. THEN the stupid studs that are bolted to the back of the head, vacuum lines that are too short to pull the intake forward to remove (and can't get to without doing so) and finally.. THEIR POS HEAD DESIGN.. this truck needed a new head, because it blew the spark plug out, stripping the threads.. the dealer did their heli-coil ghetto rig and that blew out a month later..

/end bs rant

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #1 – February 15, 2012, 01:21:00 AM

Time sert wasn't done right. i'm afraid its common on those. Sucks that it gave you a difficult time.

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #2 – February 15, 2012, 01:26:33 AM

dificult is putting it lightly.. i'd love to know what the job calls for in flat-rate time, because i spent 3 wasteful days on that pos.. now that it's finally fixed, i convinced the owner to sell it and get a pre-97 F150

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #3 – February 15, 2012, 02:06:14 AM

So much hate. So much anger.

Oh, and I've not heard of many LS1/LS2 engines spitting plugs....:flip:

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #4 – February 15, 2012, 03:17:03 AM

good for the LSx's, way to make a tom statement.. had it been a GM truck with a 5.3, it would have been a 1 day job.. lets see you go through the bullsh*t and headaches i went through to get the job done, and not come out ranting about ford's half-assed design

and btw.. the cab-over design is no help in the matter.. talk about 1 hell of a screwed up design

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #5 – February 15, 2012, 05:55:39 AM

Quote from: shadow;380690

dificult is putting it lightly.. I'd love to know what the job calls for in flat-rate time, because i spent 3 wasteful days on that pos.. Now that it's finally fixed, i convinced the owner to sell it and get a pre-97 f150

Bet the guy buys a chevy next time if he is smart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way the 5.3 does not spit out plugs over the fenders. Please dont use my name in your posts i dont appreciate it one bit. By the way the 4.6 is a is not the sharpest knife in the draw. OR DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT

LOVE THE DESIGN THOUGH IT KEEPS ME IN CASH BEERS and MONEY.

Note the repair was not dun correctly on the thread repair. We repair them all the time with no issues. And the head removal is a bear but that is what it is. with 58 police cruses in our town that we service from time to time we see this all the time and their is a set procedure for plug changes. Once again i have not posted here in a while for obvious reasons . So GROW UP and dont use my name in your RANTS about the engine that is the best power plant on this PLANET. YES THAT WOULD BE THE LSX PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Thank you !!!!!!!! Now hold your breath stomp your feet and fire back at me i am waiting!!!!!

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #6 – February 15, 2012, 09:02:29 AM

Quote from: Shadow;380687

what in the name of god was ford thinking with the SOHC 4.6 in the newer F150's? i had to replace a head on an '04 last week and it was a COMPLETE and total nightmare, from start to finish.. first the intake, the the stupid exhaust manifold with their piss poor frame design that blocks all the bottom studs, then the starter (my hand is still cramped and hurting after that 1).. THEN the stupid studs that are bolted to the back of the head, vacuum lines that are too short to pull the intake forward to remove (and can't get to without doing so) and finally.. THEIR POS HEAD DESIGN.. this truck needed a new head, because it blew the spark plug out, stripping the threads.. the dealer did their heli-coil ghetto rig and that blew out a month later..

/end bs rant

You design/engineer/build something better then.

Modern cars are complex. Deal with it or don't work on them.

OR

Instead of throwing a fit, you could look at it as a learning experience. Now you know what to look for the next time you decide to tackle this project.

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #7 – February 15, 2012, 09:05:27 AM

Well said Chuck.

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #8 – February 15, 2012, 09:17:48 AM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;380698

Please dont use my name in your posts i dont appreciate it one bit.
Quote

Really? I've seen you use other peoples names in your posts on other boards.

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #9 – February 15, 2012, 09:30:14 AM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;380698

Bet the guy buys a chevy next time if he is smart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way the 5.3 does not spit out plugs over the fenders. Please dont use my name in your posts i dont appreciate it one bit. By the way the 4.6 is a is not the sharpest knife in the draw. OR DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT

LOVE THE DESIGN THOUGH IT KEEPS ME IN CASH BEERS and MONEY.

Note the repair was not dun correctly on the thread repair. We repair them all the time with no issues. And the head removal is a bear but that is what it is. with 58 police cruses in our town that we service from time to time we see this all the time and their is a set procedure for plug changes. Once again i have not posted here in a while for obvious reasons . So GROW UP and dont use my name in your RANTS about the engine that is the best power plant on this PLANET. YES THAT WOULD BE THE LSX PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Thank you !!!!!!!! Now hold your breath stomp your feet and fire back at me i am waiting!!!!!

Really? I've seen you use other peoples names in posts on other boards. Nice double standard you've got there.
As for holding your breath and stomping your feet, weren't you the one who just recently went all "Joe Morgan", threw a baby fit, deleted all your old posts, took your toys and went home?

Back to the op's rant:
"Fitting ten gallons into a five gallon pail" is the only way manufacturers can make the vehicle light enough to meet CAFE regulations. Pretty much "a learn to work on them or stay home" situation. I wouldn't look for it to get any better. No, it's not pleasant working on a vehichle when you can't even see what your doing, but it's the way it is. I had a wonderful time changing the back 3 spark plugs and the pre-cat 02 sensor on the van, seeing how they're buried under the cowl, and you can't even see them from underneath. Just the way it is, and it's only going to get more difficult in the future.

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #10 – February 15, 2012, 09:43:38 AM

Quote from: Shadow;380697

good for the LSx's, way to make a tom statement..

Quote from: TOM Renzo;380698

Once again i have not posted here in a while for obvious reasons . So GROW UP and dont use my name in your RANTS about the engine that is the best power plant on this PLANET. YES THAT WOULD BE THE LSX PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Thank you !!!!!!!! Now hold your breath stomp your feet and fire back at me i am waiting!!!!!

Quote from: jangus;380709

Really? I've seen you use other peoples names in posts on other boards. Nice double standard you've got there.
As for holding your breath and stomping your feet, weren't you the one who just recently went all "Joe Morgan", threw a baby fit, deleted all your old posts, took your toys and went home?

We're NOT going to do this. Folks clear on that?

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #11 – February 15, 2012, 10:22:52 AM

We did the plug fix on my brother in laws expedition, I didn't think it was that bad. Maybe the underhood is laid out different or something.

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #12 – February 15, 2012, 11:43:26 AM

I've helped a friend do the repair on his '99 F truck, 5.4
While it was a little on the PITA side, I have worked on several worse engines....

Bad design? 3.8 Esshag? I don't even have to say anything
351M/400 Ford for example. No, the plugs don't blow out of those, but as far as a piss-poor design, they trump the 4.6/5.4

Bad oiling, distributor shafts twisting off, cams breaking...all of those have happened to every M engine I have ever seen.

I drive 2 different Chevy trucks pretty well every day, and with the exception of a fuel pump for each, and an ignition module for the 1/2 with the efi SBC, they've been problem free.
My '92 F truck with a 5.0 was also dead-nuts reliable.

It's all apples to oranges. Calling people names, acting like a like a little kid that doesn't get his/her way, and throwing fits is pretty ignorant. And to be honest, I'm sick of seeing the same ole "This engine or that engine is junk" from the same source, nearly every post.

You don't like 'em, that's fine, but Ford is no better and definitely not any worse with some of their designs. It's the nature of the beast, deal with it, get a sack, STFU, and live your life.

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #13 – February 15, 2012, 12:31:20 PM

Really? I've seen you use other peoples names in posts on other boards. Nice double standard you've got there.
As for holding your breath and stomping your feet, weren't you the one who just recently went all "Joe Morgan", threw a baby fit, deleted all your old posts, took your toys and went home?

YES I AM and mostly because of guys like you. Anyone that posted they blew away a turbo Porsche at 80MPH to boot and did it 4 times with different cars in the same day is a little over the top. And you actually believed it. I have a tower in FRANCE FOR SALE JANGUS INTERESTED!!!! That's great a street driven TC wasting a 550HP Porsche. I took exception to that and called it BS as it was. So lets see if you disagree with something you are Banned and labeled a JERK. So do some soul searching JANGUS and them spout off. So keep in touch with those 2.3 guys that in their best day can make 350 RWH WOW I AM IMPRESSED. With that i would have said doing that job is a bear and i applaud SHADOW for accomplishing it. But we in the automotive field work on plenty of hard jobs .If you dont like to do it then DONT. With that i apologize to the board i was brought into this minding my own business. Sorry chuck just got me the wrong way. I will bow out again and i do enjoy the site 99% of you guys are great. SORRY AGAIN.

i HATE ford and their piss poor designs..

Reply #14 – February 15, 2012, 12:40:46 PM

the 1 thing i don't get, is the fan shroud is massive.. remove it and you'll see there's plenty of room to move the motor forward 5-6 inches.. the fan is about 8-10" from the radiator, so it's not really crammed in there, they just shoved it against the firewall for god knows what reason

tom, the guy is anti chevy.. it's either ford or puppiesanese.. not my cup of tea, but whatever.. i prefer to stick with all american in my stable, with the exception of old toyota and mazda pickups.. i didn't say the 5.3's spit plugs, i just said if it was a chevy, the head removal would have been easier.. but the truck is now rolling around with a 'FOR SALE" sign in the back window.. he's going pre-97 F150.. you know, the GOOD, hard to beat down trucks.. i gave him some guidelines to help him find the perfect truck and he's on the hunt.. the guidelines were..

- 92-96 with as low of miles as possible
- NO LIFTED TRUCKS, as i've had way too much trouble keeping balljoints, wheel bearings and drag links in the junky TTB setup
- 5.0 or 5.8, for better power (he said the 4.6 is a dog.. no duh!)
- AUTO.. AUTO AUTO AUTO
- check for rust around the body mounts and the floor boards.. he lives up in hellertown, PA where they use a sh*t load of salt on the roads

and i left a little laughter piece for the next sucker that has to work on it.. yellow dot was already there, so i couldn't help myself