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Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Little update on the engine swap. This has really been a pain. I try to read up on everything before I dive in so I know what to expect, but it seems like this thing just want to fight me. I ordered a 1" thick EGR spacer delete because everybody says that the thinner ones require an upper to lower spacer to keep the heater tube from hitting the throttle.

No dice. The bracket hits the tube and wont let me bolt it on.


It also places the throttle stud to close as well.



WTH? How thick of a spacer does this take? The throttle and TV cables seem very difficult to route around the heater hoses. Mine has the extra temp sender in the hose, I assume for the auto controls. That really gets in the way. Are the cables supposed to go behind and under the hoses?


Overall pic:


This makes me want to go buy a lower dist cap piece.

EDIT***

Just realized this TB wont work anyways. HA. Bought it off Tmoss, didnt even think about it, he probably didnt either, no TV cable bracket.

Double farts.

Ill have to see if I can ize it with the oem part. Not that this changes the original problem, just keeps me from being pissed about thsi keeping me from making headway.
87 Thunderbird LX
65mm tb, exploder intake, iron gt40 heads, 1.6 rr, a9l mass air swap, 9.5" Billet Dirty Dog TC, Built AOD, 4.10's, 31 spline TLoc, Superior Axles, full sn95 five lug swap.

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #1 –
EDIT***

Just realized this TB wont work anyways. HA. Bought it off Tmoss, didnt even think about it, he probably didnt either, no TV cable bracket.

Double farts.

Ill have to see if I can ize it with the oem part.
87 Thunderbird LX
65mm tb, exploder intake, iron gt40 heads, 1.6 rr, a9l mass air swap, 9.5" Billet Dirty Dog TC, Built AOD, 4.10's, 31 spline TLoc, Superior Axles, full sn95 five lug swap.

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #2 –
No other way around the spacer/tb. Im gonna snag some longer bolts and washers.

Any input on the cables vs heater hoses?

If someone could snap a pic of theirs that would be greatly appreciated.
87 Thunderbird LX
65mm tb, exploder intake, iron gt40 heads, 1.6 rr, a9l mass air swap, 9.5" Billet Dirty Dog TC, Built AOD, 4.10's, 31 spline TLoc, Superior Axles, full sn95 five lug swap.

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #3 –
Why don't you just run an EGR spacer and put a block off plate on the EGR port. Than everything will line up like it should. If you deside to stay with the EGR delete spacer it will have to be at least 1.5" to 2".
88 Cougar LS 5.0 .030 over, ported E7s with GT40 valves & trickflow springs, Proform roller rockers, HO cam, removed air silencer, K&N filter, smog pump delete, 2.25" dual flowmasters, Pacestter H-pipe & headers, HO computer, 65mm TB, Explorer intake, 19# injecters, 3.45s, rebuilt posi, and TCI shift kit.

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #4 –
You have to change the plate that is mounted to the shaft with the old throttle body.  The shaft is mushroomed over the plate, take a grinder and grind it down.  Put the old plate on the exploder t/b and put a couple spots of weld on.,,,  I would just run the egr, especially if its a DD.
One 88

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #5 –
Quote from: CougarSE;356366
You have to change the plate that is mounted to the shaft with the old throttle body.  The shaft is mushroomed over the plate, take a grinder and grind it down.  Put the old plate on the exploder t/b and put a couple spots of weld on.,,,  I would just run the egr, especially if its a DD.

 
+1

Mine is not a DD and I'm running the EGR (the Thermactor system and cats are gone though) as it increases gas mileage. Hell at WOT the computer shuts the EGR off.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #6 –
As stated above, remove the lever assembly from the shaft on the throttle body, replace it with the stock one from the original t-body, tack weld in the middle....carefully as not to melt the plastic parts. I've done a lot of those Explorer throtle body conversions. takes about 5 minutes.

As for the spacer, I had my stocker opened up to 65mm at a local machine shop for $10.00. Now it matches the throttle body and the intake.

My cables are over the heater hoses, not under. I really can't remember how it was when I got the car. I know they work great. I may run them lower later. Just make sure there's no binding.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #7 –
Hey Guys forgive me for being a noob on this site, I'm not sure if I am posting in the correct section or manner. I am trying to find out what it takes to convert to mass air from speed density also more info on swapping to exploder intake and more. thanks.
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Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #8 –
Quote from: BlackBird88;356772
Hey Guys forgive me for being a noob on this site, I'm not sure if I am posting in the correct section or manner. I am trying to find out what it takes to convert to mass air from speed density also more info on swapping to exploder intake and more. thanks.

 
I used the following as a guide:

http://www.coolcats.net/tech/advanced/massair.html

Just in case...you shouldnt go mass air until you have swapped to HO specs(cam, etc). I did both at the same time. Just dont go mass air(a9l,a9p) on the SO engine.

Explorer intake is covered in great detail everywhere, just search/google explorer intake swap.
87 Thunderbird LX
65mm tb, exploder intake, iron gt40 heads, 1.6 rr, a9l mass air swap, 9.5" Billet Dirty Dog TC, Built AOD, 4.10's, 31 spline TLoc, Superior Axles, full sn95 five lug swap.

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #9 –
thanks man, i'll check it out.
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Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #10 –
Hey guys, just in case you were wondering...


It's a good idea to put the oil level sensor in the oil pan before you pour 5 qts of fresh oil into your new engine.


FML.
87 Thunderbird LX
65mm tb, exploder intake, iron gt40 heads, 1.6 rr, a9l mass air swap, 9.5" Billet Dirty Dog TC, Built AOD, 4.10's, 31 spline TLoc, Superior Axles, full sn95 five lug swap.

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #11 –
If you put the sensor in first, that makes the oil change too easy. I've got to go out this evening and pull the oil level sensor from the Sport because I'm changing oil tomorrow.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #12 –
Mtgmike, where's the update on the throttle linkage cure?
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #13 –
Ahh, I gave in and bought a Summit branded spacer. The machine shops we deal with would either have a big minimum charge, or would have wanted to take forever for a favor deal, so i just bought one to be safe. i was a little concerned about sealing up with the oem one bored out. I know people have done it, but thats the way I went.

The lines still look strangely bent, but they bolted in.

Getting close. In laws are coming in this weekend, but I should have a start vid soon after.
87 Thunderbird LX
65mm tb, exploder intake, iron gt40 heads, 1.6 rr, a9l mass air swap, 9.5" Billet Dirty Dog TC, Built AOD, 4.10's, 31 spline TLoc, Superior Axles, full sn95 five lug swap.

Exploder/Throttle Linkage Issues

Reply #14 –
How about a pic of the spacer......glad you got it done. Did you address the throttle linkage, meaning, did you swap on a Fox linkage to the Explorer t-body?
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..