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Fox as a daily driver good idea or not?

Reply #15
This thread has even further motivated me to never leave my mosquito infested, swampy coastlines.
-'88 Tbird 3.8
-2012 Altima 2.5 BASE. 
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

Future: Budget 5.0 300 HP.

Fox as a daily driver good idea or not?

Reply #16
Quote from: irv;334390
for that price spend a little more and take it to ziebart and
have them shoot it. they have a used car system. if that
was a bird and not a cougar i bet you wouldnt dd it, lou.
looks too nice to run in the winter. its not my money so
go for it.--irv


If it was a T-bird I wouldn't consider it. I like the Cougars but they just don't have the appeal that the T-birds do for me. I do like the Cougars enough though that I'm having second thoughts about this idea. It would be easier if it was a base V6 car and not a XR-7.

If it was you Cougar irv I would put it in a plastic bag and keep it in the garage with my T-bird in the winter;) Problem is I can only have one car that is a toy as I only have a 1.5 car garage.

Quote from: mcb82gt;334401
Man, I love the two tones. 

Can you get around in rear drive up in Chicago?  What it your long term goal for the car?

Do you want to keep the car forever?  It will last many years if you keep the salt washed out when you can.  It will eventually creep into every area though, just a matter of time.


Yeah you can get around with rear drive easy in Chicago. I do it with a MN-12. The roads are pretty clear with all the salt they use... my 87,000 mile MN-12 has rocker rot and I wash the  thing once a week in the winter.

Quote from: Thunder Chicken;334416
I daily-drove my 88 T-Bird for three years, and an '87 Sport for a few years before that (and even drove the Sport in winter) and liked it enough. The Sport was a tank in snow with four good snow tires.

If you don't want it to rust, undercoat the bejeesus out of it. And I mean remove the door panels and spray inside the doors, and remove the trunk liners and spare tire and spray inside the quarters. Take the plastic front inner fenders out and spray inside the front fenders. Spray the inner strut towers down where you know they rot. And remove the lower inside quarter panels (by the back seat) and spray in around that seam that these cars tend to rust on. It might take a full day, but it'll be worth it to not have the car fall apart. In other words, protect everywhere that you know these cars are pr0ne to rust, because an undercoating shop is just gonna squirt stuff where they can reach, and generally, if it's accessible enough to spray like that it won't rust there anyway (rust forms where water gets into confined spaces and stays there, such as between two sheet metal panels bolted or welded together such as door bottoms, seams, etc).


Holy  that's a lot of undercoating. I bet it would still find away to rust some how, some way...


I'm thinking that getting this car for a dd is a bad idea. I like the fox's too much to kill one and it looks like no matter how much rust proofing I do the thing will rot, bad. I might be better looking for a V8 MN-12.


Oh and as for dding a fox, well, lets put it this way. I've had my 88 out of the garage since April 1st. I've put 400 miles on it since then. I dd my 95. I've put 3,000 miles on it. The 88 just gets driven to and from cruise nights or car shows and it's one trip to the track this year. I've only got till October 31st till the 88 goes away for the winter so it might get 500 miles on it by then;)
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #17
Dude I am serious as a heart attack haha. And I'm sure you did read my post, don't take offense, I sure didn't, I just wanna repeat myself one because im a d-bag and two because maybe it'll work :hick::rollin: If I had pictures I could show ya. The vic lost some of the WD by the end of each of the two winters I drove it...but it still glistened just a little.
 
Undercoating is tough stuff BUT it's also made of rubber. Which can dry rot, chip, crack, you get the idea. Ive a friend with an old Land Rover that restored it.....to use it as a DD and off-road it, beat the hell out of it, and that includes subjecting it to the nasty winter! :eek:  He uses stuff from Rovers North (look up the site) called Waxoyl. It's clearly got the right carbon chain that as a petroleum product it's between, you guessed it, a wax and an oil. It sprays on but dries like candle wax. And stays there. Really expensive though. Undercoating, as Carm said, may not get in everywhere. And if it chips, it'll let the elements in.
 
I guess now that he mentions it, go ahead and pull the trunk liner pieces, soak the inner quarters too, front fenders inside the splashguards, hell pull the door panels and just fill the bottom. Just put a catch can for the water drain holes ;)
1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane

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Reply #18
I read your post and realized that to keep the car nice I'd have to do horrible things to the underside:hick: Well at least messy things. I would feel bad if something happened to that Cougar though. It's kinda a catch 22. I want to drive a car I really like all the time but if I do it will die from rot. Then again if I don't buy it who ever does will probably beat it to death......

If I don't get it I might try spraying the bottom of the 95 with WD-40 before winter. It won't help the rockers though as they already have rust...
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #19
Quote from: ZondaC12;334453

Undercoating is tough stuff BUT it's also made of rubber. Which can dry rot, chip, crack, you get the idea. Ive a friend with an old Land Rover that restored it.....to use it as a DD and off-road it, beat the hell out of it, and that includes subjecting it to the nasty winter! :eek:  He uses stuff from Rovers North (look up the site) called Waxoyl. It's clearly got the right carbon chain that as a petroleum product it's between, you guessed it, a wax and an oil. It sprays on but dries like candle wax. And stays there. Really expensive though. Undercoating, as Carm said, may not get in everywhere. And if it chips, it'll let the elements in.
 

Actually, I was referring to the waxy stuff, not the rubber stuff. That rubber stuff is worse than nothing at all, because once water gets under it, it stays there. You end up with a layer of pristine looking undercoating but no metal underneath it because it's rotted away.

But yeah, even the waxy stuff can chip off, but if you touch it up regularly it'll be OK. The most important thing is to get it into all the nooks and crannies that on these cars are known to rust.
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #20
Ah okay, I didn't know that was more widely available. First I'd heard of a waxy type formula was from that rover nut lol.
 
Lou actually made a thread about it but living here I think about this all the time. The Vic became an "experiment", I wanted to make that last years doing that.
1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane

 

Fox as a daily driver good idea or not?

Reply #21
I hate driving almost ANY vehicle around here in the winter.  You can hear them rust.  I wish they would just use sand instead of salt, and keep the roads plowed.

I used to do Foxes in the winter, as dailies, etc, but it winds up sending too many of them to their grave.  No matter what you do, you will watch them degrade before your very eyes.  Even my Volvo, which comes from the land of the ice and snow, and is undercoated the bejeezus, suffered this past winter, and I hate it.

My problem is that I'm NEVER satisfied with leaving cars alone, even if they're just drivers.  I also can't stand driving something that it don't want to drive, or doesn't inspire me. A clapped-out s&%t-box to drive in the winter is not what I want either.

I've thought about a Fox as just a driver a couple times, but I talk myself out of it.  If I lived someplace besides the rust belt, I'd for certain have a low-key Fox DD.  Around here though, I just can't do it in good conscience.
Long live the 4-eyes!  - '83 Tbird Turbo - '85 Marquis LTS - '86 LTD Wagon-  '81 Granada GL 2dr

Fox as a daily driver good idea or not?

Reply #22
I agree w/Chuck.  I refuse to ever put my fox through DD duty in the winter again.  They are well made cars, but salt will eat them alive.  My car was only driven in 3-4 winters of salt and it still had rust bubbles starting before I painted it.  I am buttstuff about washing the car and cleaning it.  I don't care how much powerwashing you do, winter driving will still make the car rust.

If I lived in Florida or somewhere nice, my T-bird would be driven 12 mos out of the year.

Just remember, they will NEVER make fox t-bird/cougars again.  So I think we should do our part as a community to try and preserve the few nice ones we have left.
'88 'bird, 10.9:1 306 w/TFS top end, forged rods/pistons, T-5 swap & bunch of other stuff, 1-family owned, had it since ‘98, 5.0tbrd88 on Instagram and YouTube

Fox as a daily driver good idea or not?

Reply #23
My DD 83 cougar is a seamonster. Most of you guys would never be caught dead in it. I agree with the rust factor. When I bought it, it had no rust at all. Now it is completely rusted out. Sanded and primered, and rusted through that too. I have been running it through about 7 years worth of winters though.

Another thing to remember is the possibility of a collision. Many of us have wrecked our DD at no fault of our own. There's plenty of morons out there. You can't just go the junk yard and find body parts anymore (well, i can't anyway).

I have been driving my 85 turbo as a DD for a couple months since it's been so hot out and it's the only thing I own that the AC works, heh. Just the other day I had to skid on the brakes from some asshat pulling out in front of me when I was going 55. If this car gets wrecked, I will have to be put in an institution...

But I will probably always drive a fox as a DD. I just like 'em. Cougars, tbirds, marquis and ltds. I have had tons of them. BUT! If you find one you like a lot, don't use it as a DD. DD's are disposable (IMHO), unfortunately.
CoogarXR : 1985 Cougar XR-7

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Reply #24
I was going to bring that up about someone hitting you.  People are idiots and cant drive well in good road conditions, let alone snow and ice.
Mike

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Reply #25
Quote from: mcb82gt;334533
I was going to bring that up about someone hitting you.  People are idiots and cant drive well in good road conditions, let alone snow and ice.


I think about that every time I drive my T-bird.  Seems like it has a big red target on it sometimes.  :flame:
'88 'bird, 10.9:1 306 w/TFS top end, forged rods/pistons, T-5 swap & bunch of other stuff, 1-family owned, had it since ‘98, 5.0tbrd88 on Instagram and YouTube

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Reply #26
No rust on the Sport,no undercoating either,and it does have a cup holder now that works great.LOL.

Next week,tinted windows and a/c....WOO-HOO !!!!
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #27
Here is as far north as I would ever drive a car year round that I didn't want to rust.
Matt
1984 Thunderbird - 89 302 HO, GT40 heads w/ Trick Flow springs, E303 cam, Edelbrock Performer 289 intake and 600 cfm 4bbl, Mustang headers, Jegs o/r H pipe, Dynomax lers, Mustang AOD and shifter, Mustang 8.8 w/ 3.73s, 3G alternator, Mustang front and rear sway bars, KYB SN-95 front struts and shocks, and 11" front brakes.

1988 Mustang GT - GT40 heads, Explorer intake, 70mm throttle body, 70mm MAF, Crane 1.7 rrs, E303 cam, Kirban Kwik shifter w/ Pro 5.0 deluxe handle, aluminum clutch quadrant and firewall adjuster, o/r h pipe, Dynomax lers, 3G alternator, aluminum radiator, and 3.27 gears.
 
1986 Cougar 5.0, 1989 Mark VII LSC 5 speed, 1980 Mercury Zephyr 4 door (sold)

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Reply #28
Quote from: 5.0 bird;334551
Here is as far north as I would ever drive a car year round that I didn't want to rust.

Pfft, I'm much further north than you (Washington state), but we don't have rust over here :p
1988 Thunderbird Sport

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Reply #29
I'm thinking that getting that car for a dd is a bad idea. I've kinda talked myself out getting that XR-7 as I don't want to kill it. I think the better thing to do is find a V8 MN-12 as I won't mind it as much if it dies......

You guys have hit it on the head though. Living in the rust belt you can't drive a car you like as a dd. The problem is I don't think I could drive a fwd, 4 cylinder pos all year....
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.