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Finished the 5 Lug! But....

Reply #45
Finished(For the most part) - Pictures on the First post!! Found MOOG Ball joints at Baxters for a very reasonable $47 each.
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

Finished the 5 Lug! But....

Reply #46
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;316155


I don't know that I'd trust a coat hanger to squeeze a spring down.:hick:


:eek:

Some spring shops will compress/band the spring for you. Still must be thrilling to handle it knowing all the potential energy...:D
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Reply #47
Man, it was hard enough finding a shop to do the bushings on a Sat, I wouldn't have wanted to find one to compress the springs. Ended up using an internal compressor, which worked OK, not the best, took a little bit to get it out once the springs were in, but what are you gonna do? Steal Kitz's jaw type? :D
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

Compressing springs

Reply #48
I USE SPRING HOOKS, COMPRESS SPRING WITH AN OUTSIDE COMPRESSOR, INSTALL HOOKS(2) ON SPRING WHERE IT WILL BE ON THE INSIDE, (THIS WILL PUT SPRING IN A "C" SHAPE ONCE THE COMPRESSOR IS RELEASED) THEN IT WILL FIT IN THE POCKETS PERFECTLY WITH NO COMPRESSOR ATTACHED, JACK INTO PLACE AND PUT THE LOWER BALL JOINT NUT ON, JACK A LITTLE MORE AND REMOVE THE HOOKS (15 MINUTES A SIDE):shakeass:

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Reply #49
Yes, well Mr. Shop manager, not all of us have your considerable resources  :D 

So, no comments on anything? Not the rims, the angles? Bummer.
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

Finished the 5 Lug! But....

Reply #50
Looks Great!

And thanks for the pics of the SN-95 A-Arms. :cheers:
I actually really like how they sit, I need to go out and measure the back spacing on my "New" rims (17x7.5).
~Project ThunderStorm = '84 Charcoal Thunderbird - First Car - Long Time Work in Progress~
~Project (No Name Yet) = 1970 Plymouth GTX/RR "Clone"~

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Reply #51
Hey, thanks Romeo2k, I liked it too, but I would have needed wheel spacers for the back axle since they sit so far inboard., and I was a little concerned with the cornering, as well as only 1.25" of engagement with the tie rods.  I also think I heard something about the angle of the tie rods....etc etc, probably could be fixed with a bumpsteer kit though.

I Can't remember what the inset of the old rims was, do you maybe have a picture that would show me how far inward the top of the rear tire is in relation to the fender well?
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

Finished the 5 Lug! But....

Reply #52
Humm, I'll look into a bit more when i dig into the front susp.

I measured a 6" Backspace on my rims also, But they have pretty fat tires.

And Nope, But i can go out and get some! :hick:
It's completely stock right now, But very soon I'll be switching out the whole rear setup.
~Project ThunderStorm = '84 Charcoal Thunderbird - First Car - Long Time Work in Progress~
~Project (No Name Yet) = 1970 Plymouth GTX/RR "Clone"~

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Reply #53
Heres some middle of the night shots:


Front:


And you thought your car was dirty! :hick:
~Project ThunderStorm = '84 Charcoal Thunderbird - First Car - Long Time Work in Progress~
~Project (No Name Yet) = 1970 Plymouth GTX/RR "Clone"~

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Reply #54
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And you thought your car was dirty!

Yes, I was definitely mistaken:D Thanks for the pics, I'll compare this week and let you know if the inset has changed much.
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

Finished the 5 Lug! But....

Reply #55
Ok, well, had to chop ~1/2" off the inner tie rods to get toe corrected?! Anyone else have this issue? Very distressing since no one else mentioned it. 
Also, seems my 6 inches of backspacing is either too much up front, or I am missing a turn stop, because I've already scrubbed two wheel weights off in hard turns. Seems like the Control arm is a likely culprit but I haven't looked closely.

Any ideas or thoughts are appreciated, thanks guys!

Recap:
Fox arms, SN-95 everything else.
18x7.5" with 6" Backspacing rims.
Had to shorten tie rods.
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

Finished the 5 Lug! But....

Reply #56
Ok, so, I looked a little closer, and apparently the rim/tire ishiznitting the K-member?! I suppose I should have taken pictures, but I was at Les Schwab. They aligned it and rebalanced the tires. For some stupid reason, I can't get to the ideal camber on the DS strut tower. It is within Factory spec, but not optimal. 

I am beginning to regret these rims.....
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

 

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Reply #57
You have FWD wheels on a RWD drive car. You're going to have clearance issues. You need wheels with less backspacing. Plain and simple.
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Reply #58
Yeah, I know, but they look so darn cool! I guess I'll be considering wheel spacers front and rear, though the aligned stance actually looks pretty good.

That still doesn't explain the tie rods though....
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

Finished the 5 Lug! But....

Reply #59
Humm...
Wondering if wheel diameter isn't a major factor in rubbing as well...

Do you have a lot of rub, or just a little?
I thinking the 18" (6" Backspacing right?) rims and/or tire profile may be causing you the troubles there.
Dunno~Just thinking out loud.

We should have about a +44mm offset.
And its looking like +38 is roughly the max for our k-frame...
So to achieve that (38mm) the chart says we would need a 0.25 spacer? (or larger) on each side in the front (equivelant of 5.75 backspacing).
But i (Think) the max recommended offset is +32mm, So we would probably need a half inch spacer at a minimum per side.

Really wishing i could get a hands on with this, But i'm still gathering the needed parts for the front + i have to change the bolt pattern and i have other projects ahead of it in line. >.<

I'm learning as look into this stuff so i could be way off or right on~Would be great of someone Experienced in this area could chime in.
~Project ThunderStorm = '84 Charcoal Thunderbird - First Car - Long Time Work in Progress~
~Project (No Name Yet) = 1970 Plymouth GTX/RR "Clone"~