Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

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Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #15 – January 08, 2010, 03:31:24 PM

Quote from: FordTruckFreeek;305564

I think everyone has a right to self defense...legally.

With that said, I posted this as funny, nothing more. I'm pro-NRA, but that isn't why I posted it lol

Anyway, it would be a total nut bust to the perp if it WERE true

Yes and no.... Though sometimes those kinds of stories are fun, defending yourself isn't really about whooping up on the other guy. Instead, it's about the responsibility we all have for our family, our society, and ourselves.

Anyway, back to the birds and cats!

Happy New Year!
Bill

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #16 – January 08, 2010, 03:32:47 PM

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Yes, you may indeed need to take the life of your attacker, but it is not you who decided that such rules were to be broken. Instead, it was your attacker who made this decision, and who must then be the receiver of all the consequences of his actions, intended or not.

Defending one's self is not breaking the rules. All that OTHER stuff afterward....

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #17 – January 08, 2010, 03:57:13 PM

Quote from: V8Demon;305568

Defending one's self is not breaking the rules. All that OTHER stuff afterward....

Agreed! Frankly, I think the letter, if it were true, is just plain dumb. Fortunately, as the link to Snopes shows, it's bunk.

What I meant was in response to the idea posted by oldraven that people do not pull guns and knives on EACH OTHER in a civil society. In a civil society, he is correct, but when one member breaches the rules of civility, then the one on whom the gun or knife was pulled, or on whom the assault was initiated, must then deal with the new reality of no longer operating within civil society for the duration of the attack. It was not the victim who chose to breach the base level of civility, but rather the attacker.

Happy New Year!
Bill

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #18 – January 08, 2010, 08:02:37 PM

Quote from: ProTouring442;305566

May you never live to regret that you could have done something to stop the crime that came after the one perpetrated upon yourself.

Happy New Year!
Bill

I won't. I live in a civil society. :hick: One murder about every decade around here, never by bullet, and killed by a mugger is unheard of. It's usually a result of a brawl. As in, you only need to worry if you go looking for trouble. I would be more valid in worrying about getting eaten by a Coyote or hit by falling rocks.

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #19 – January 08, 2010, 09:33:35 PM

Quote from: oldraven;305596

I won't. I live in a civil society. :hick: One murder about every decade around here, never by bullet, and killed by a mugger is unheard of. It's usually a result of a brawl. As in, you only need to worry if you go looking for trouble. I would be more valid in worrying about getting eaten by a Coyote or hit by falling rocks.

Sounds like a cool place to visit sometime, as long as it's not too cold.

I can't do cold.

It's usually not too cold here.

It is right now though.

Why hasn't it warmed up here?

Did I mention that it's cold?

Happy New Year!
Bill

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #20 – January 08, 2010, 09:52:18 PM

It's not so bad here in Nova Scotia. It's a lot colder in places like Michigan and Ohio. It's hovering around the freezing mark this week, which is pretty decent for January. Flurries at night and melts in the day. After living in the nearly permafrost Edmonton, it's downright balmy.

And Happy New Year. :)

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #21 – January 09, 2010, 08:45:04 AM

Quote from: oldraven;305617

It's not so bad here in Nova Scotia. It's a lot colder in places like Michigan and Ohio. It's hovering around the freezing mark this week, which is pretty decent for January. Flurries at night and melts in the day. After living in the nearly permafrost Edmonton, it's downright balmy.

And Happy New Year. :)

Sounds like I should visit in the spring or summer then! :) It does however sound like good "book by the fireplace" weather!

That's the kind of weather we're having here in MD right now, but unfortunately I need to read our home for sale. I hope to clear two or three rooms off of the "to do" list today. If I am successful, maybe my wife and I will have dinner by the fire.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #22 – January 09, 2010, 09:31:16 AM

Well, I've got about two inches sitting on my deck railing this morning. I doubt that will be gone any time soon, since it's still falling.

I like where this thread went. :p

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #23 – January 09, 2010, 11:05:55 AM

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Funny, I always thought a civil society was one where people didn't pull knives and guns on each other. Silly, I know.

Silly, and unrealistic. No crime free society exists. Bad people are everywhere.

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I won't. I live in a civil society. :hick: One murder about every decade around here, never by bullet, and killed by a mugger is unheard of. It's usually a result of a brawl. As in, you only need to worry if you go looking for trouble. I would be more valid in worrying about getting eaten by a Coyote or hit by falling rocks.

Wow dude, you always seem to try and make it sound like you live in some magic fairyland where the sun always shines and the people always smile. delusional you are. i think you also have a warped view on crime in the us.

A few thoughts here,

A. i think its wrong to have to "prove" that you need to protect yourself in order to carry. I for one, believe everyone has the right to protect themselves. armed people are citizens, unarmed people are subjects.

B. while you often try to make it sound like you have no crime, you over look the fact that canada generally has more property related crime than the us. i wonder why that is?

C. even around here, when it gets seasonably warm, crime goes up. when its cold, crime goes down. it's colder longer up in canadia. just a theory

i wouldn't wish a violent crime on anyone, and i hope your never put in such a situation.
There are more people in the us than canada and 80X more guns so yeah, crime is more likely to happen. Generally initial assaults with a firearm are done with illegally owned guns, same here as it is in canada.

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #24 – January 09, 2010, 01:19:29 PM

Blah, blah, blah. I'm not going to argue with you guys. I don't carry a gun and I'm happy about it. Live with it. BTW, I don't have a warped view of crime in the US, I have a rational sense of the lack of crime in my home town. I didn't say one word about the US.

On the other hand, it's sad that anyone thinks this story is great, since the guy with the gun ended up MUGGING the guy with the knife. Who's the good guy? It's funny for a second, until you stop and think about it. He held the guy at gun point and took his stuff. What a hero.

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #25 – January 09, 2010, 03:30:54 PM

Errr..uhhh, hold up fellas. This was a joke, and only meant as such.

I don't give 2 shiznits what the crime rate is in Canada, Massachusetts, or Moscow.
I'm kinda on the fence on guns, what they mean to me, vs. people who view them as a weapon regardless of intention or purpose.

As far as that goes, we need better enforcement of existing legislation as opposed to more ignorant laws that will do very little to prevent the violence.

Back to topic. I think that the point of the posting was to make a little fun of someone who unexpectedly got what they were intending on giving.

Yeah, the "actions" of the would-be victim are at best unlawful, and worst no better than the "perp"...when did it become a crime to defend oneself?

I knew this would turn into shag-all...I shouldn't have posted it.
Thought (vainly) that all would see the humor and know it wasn't legit. More the fool I am. :flame:

Lock it if need be, I'm done with it.

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #26 – January 09, 2010, 03:51:26 PM

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On the other hand, it's sad that anyone thinks this story is great, since the guy with the gun ended up MUGGING the guy with the knife. Who's the good guy? It's funny for a second, until you stop and think about it. He held the guy at gun point and took his stuff. What a hero.

The sad part is, you really feel this way. The originator of the crime is a scum bag. Apparently you would be pleased with the situation if the "victim" was unarmed, and the knife wielding dousche robbed, him and shanked him. Obviously, the guy took his defense to far and made some bad judgments (assuming any of it is real). Would you feel better if he just told him to go away? Was it justified, well i bet, and hope the thief learned a life lesson. Hadn't he initiated a crime, none of it would have happened. He is lucky to be alive.

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Back to topic. I think that the point of the posting was to make a little fun of someone who unexpectedly got what they were intending on giving.

Yeah, the "actions" of the would-be victim are at best unlawful, and worst no better than the "perp"...when did it become a crime to defend oneself?

The laughable part is mr raven thinks the guy is a victim, and he doesn't think one needs to be able to defend them self.

Dangerous people like him in the states are the ones attacking our rights, and when/if the 2nd goes down they will all fall like dominoes.

I apologize for my involvement in the thread derailing though i doubt you will get that from oldraven.

This could be just as fake as the "email" but hey, s@ happens. Id be interested to see what his thoughts are on this:
probably NSFW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh_gL7Az53o&feature=related

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #27 – January 09, 2010, 04:57:50 PM

OK. You win.

Sorry FordTruckFreak. I didn't say anything about gun laws either, but if you're not praising guns when someone brings up the topic, you must want them banned all over the world. I also didn't say anything about Canada, I was talking about the area I live in, which doesn't reflect the rest of the nation, or even other provinces. Anyway, Shame, you let me worry about saying what I think, because you obviously don't do a very good job of doing it for me. I didn't say anyone was a victim, or that I thought the guy shouldn't have defended himself, or any of the other words you put in my mouth. What you are doing is what people call 'demonising'. I say something about civil society, you fill in the rest. I still believe civil society is about how people treat each other, not what they point at each other. All you've proved to me is that NRA zealots are insane.

On the other hand, I got to fire my brother's 12 ga. on New Years day. It was my first time pulling the trigger on a shotgun, and I got two out of three skeets. I was pretty proud of that, since of all the times I'd gone hunting, I'd never shot a moving target. I don't own guns, so I just went for the love of the hunt.

I did laugh when I first read it. I just thought about it for a minute. You know where that can get you.

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #28 – January 09, 2010, 05:42:27 PM

Quote from: oldraven;305713

OK. You win.

Sorry FordTruckFreak. I didn't say anything about gun laws either, but if you're not praising guns when someone brings up the topic, you must want them banned all over the world. I also didn't say anything about Canada, I was talking about the area I live in, which doesn't reflect the rest of the nation, or even other provinces.

I did laugh when I first read it. I just thought about it for a minute. You know where that can get you.

And I agree with you in that the "turn about is fair play" routine was funny, until the imaginary victim (the whole story is fake and has been around for years and years) then goes on about making threats in the guys name, etc, etc, etc.

My friend, I believe you have handled yourself quite well. I can see how you might have been hesitant to express your views on the subject for the very reasons you've stated here and which have played themselves out in recent posts. It seems that some people are incapable of holding a discussion on any topic without resorting to accusing their "opponent" of holding some sort of extremists view. For that, I apologize.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

Poetic Justice, or someone with a good imagination????

Reply #29 – January 09, 2010, 05:47:39 PM

Quote from: shame302;305705

The sad part is, you really feel this way. The originator of the crime is a scum bag. Apparently you would be pleased with the situation if the "victim" was unarmed, and the knife wielding dousche robbed, him and shanked him. Obviously, the guy took his defense to far and made some bad judgments (assuming any of it is real). Would you feel better if he just told him to go away? Was it justified, well i bet, and hope the thief learned a life lesson. Hadn't he initiated a crime, none of it would have happened. He is lucky to be alive.

The laughable part is mr raven thinks the guy is a victim, and he doesn't think one needs to be able to defend them self.

Dangerous people like him in the states are the ones attacking our rights, and when/if the 2nd goes down they will all fall like dominoes.

I apologize for my involvement in the thread derailing though i doubt you will get that from oldraven.

This could be just as fake as the "email" but hey, s@ happens. Id be interested to see what his thoughts are on this:
probably NSFW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh_gL7Az53o&feature=related

Criminals are not necessarily scumbags who deserve to be thrown into pits and torn apart by fighting animals. They have however proven themselves to be unworthy of the trust that is given every free citizen and therefore must be incarcerated for some duration until such time as they can again be trusted. In some cases, there is no time when they can safely be released, and they must therefore be incarcerated for the rest of their lives. In either case, this should not be done in a vindictive manner, but rather because they simply must be removed from society in order for society to remain free and open.

If we turn our penal system into some sort of vindication system, we might as well go all the way and build a Colosseum in each state where criminals can fight it out with each other, victims and victims' families giving the thumbs up or down to spare or execute at the end of each battle. We would be no better than the criminals themselves, and perhaps worse.

In a perfect society no one would ever need to be armed, but then again, in a perfect society no one would really care if anyone else were armed. In any case, the purpose of being armed is to protect life and property, and not to one up the criminal or to get some sort of thrill out of turning the tables. To take another human's life, while sometimes necessary, is never an enjoyable aspect of any rational human's life.

I have smoke detectors and fire extinguishers, and I hope like hell that I never have to use them. In our bedroom I have a fire-blanket and a fire extinguisher, and I pray I never have to use the combination. And in a quick action safe I keep a Smith & Wesson .45acp, with a flashlight, all next to my cell phone, and I fervently pray I never need to utilize that combination. I recognize my responsibility to my family and society, but I pray I will never be called upon to exercise it.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill