5.0 id plate

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5.0 id plate

December 26, 2009, 07:04:41 PM

I need the little metal peice that goes on top of the plenum on the motor. One of the things that says 5.0 on it. It can be cracked or whatnot, I just need a cheap one to screw around with. I want to paint 3.8l on it just so when it goes to get an inspection they don't give me again because I swapped the motor and all.

I thought I posted this already, but I can't find the thread.

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Reply #1 – December 27, 2009, 07:11:48 AM

$12.00 shipped for a good one.PM me.I'll be home around 3:00 today.

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Reply #2 – December 27, 2009, 08:42:01 AM

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I want to paint 3.8l on it just so when it goes to get an inspection they don't give me again because I swapped the motor and all.

LOL. Man, i don't think trying to trick them is going to help things. You should have no trouble getting it inspected even with a V8 swapped into it due to its age. What's the problem?

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Reply #3 – December 27, 2009, 09:12:26 AM

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$12.00 shipped for a good one.PM me.I'll be home around 3:00 today.

Hey Vinnie-If the op doesn't take it-I'll take it. Or if you have another one thats good. I need the screws also.

Thanks

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Reply #4 – December 27, 2009, 10:58:17 AM

post a pic of whats under the hood.

this is crazy,, mass must be hell on your wallet.

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Reply #5 – December 27, 2009, 03:18:52 PM

shame, its not about really tricking them. The guy at the station told me they just look for the imprinting of numbers on the older cars. Its not that the car wouldn't pass inspection, its just the trouble to get the engine size changed on the title and so forth. It has to be inspected by the state police and whatnot. If they find one thing out of place they will fail you. I mean down to something as stupid as if a vacuum canister is moved somewhere(whoops).

kendoo, if you need it take it. If you can use a good one on your car take it, I don't want to be ruining parts that others need.

There is not emissions testings on the older cars in mass anymore, as long as visually everything is there. I know the guy at the station and he told me if it says 3.8l v6 on the new motor he could pass it and that could just be an honest mistake, the shop wouldn't get screwed over for that. It is more of a cheap way to beat the system. He knows what I did and he looked at it away from the shop. He said it looks fine, but he just has to protect himself and whatnot. Which I understand.

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Reply #6 – December 28, 2009, 01:30:00 AM

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this is crazy,, mass must be hell on your wallet.

Ma. is crazy, and expensive. Its difficult to determine if it's more crazy than expensive or vice verse though.

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shame, its not about really tricking them. The guy at the station told me they just look for the imprinting of numbers on the older cars. Its not that the car wouldn't pass inspection, its just the trouble to get the engine size changed on the title and so forth. It has to be inspected by the state police and whatnot. If they find one thing out of place they will fail you. I mean down to something as stupid as if a vacuum canister is moved somewhere(whoops).

There is not emissions testings on the older cars in mass anymore, as long as visually everything is there. I know the guy at the station and he told me if it says 3.8l v6 on the new motor he could pass it and that could just be an honest mistake, the shop wouldn't get screwed over for that. It is more of a cheap way to beat the system. He knows what I did and he looked at it away from the shop. He said it looks fine, but he just has to protect himself and whatnot. Which I understand.

So in other words, Its easier to be dishonest and beat the system than it is to just do things correctly? Too much of a hassle?

Sounds to me like "your guy" needs to lose his inspection cert.

Listen, If all of the equipment carried over and the car will pass inspection then what's the issue? I'm betting you cut corners, probably deleted the EGR, no cats, no smog pump, that sort of stuff. If so, the car isn't legal for use on public roads in MA. period.

Anyway, the state police don't inspect cars, and you don't have to change engine size on your title unless you sell it. I had V8 converted cars pass just fine WITH the sniffer. If it were a kit car such as a factory five we would be talking an entirely different ball game.

If you car is say an 87 4cyl, 6cyl etc car, than you can legally swap in a V8 of that year or newer provided all its emissions equipment are swapped as well.

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Reply #7 – December 28, 2009, 02:12:57 AM

Yes in this case it is easier to be "dishonest". Let me explain:

I bet you I didn't cut corners! I don't see the point, I use this car as aneveryday driver, and eliminating the emmisions isn't going to do much. And extra 20hp?, on a car that only has 150? Whop de doo, not worth the money, to me. The issue is not that it wouldn't pass its the fact that if he puts in 5.0l for engine size where it used to be 3.8l its going to be a problem and raise questions. If he puts it in, it might print out, but either the town or the registry will pick up on it once its in the system. The car has factory replacement everything, exhaust, egr, factory smog pump connected properly and working. I'll attach pictures tomorow. And your wrong, the state police have a division for checking over cars. You have to take the car to them, and they go over it. I went through it on my 1972 cutlass 442, I've been there. Andthe car is an 88 but the engine is from an 87. Essentially its the same motor, really.

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Reply #8 – December 28, 2009, 09:48:17 AM

Ibtl

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Reply #9 – December 28, 2009, 01:14:50 PM

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Ibtl

What does that mean?

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Reply #10 – December 28, 2009, 03:24:34 PM

it means it's turning into a g match, most likely to be locked..

Now, back to topic...FEDERAL law mandates you can NOT swap an older engine into a newer car. Yes, we all know that there's not one mouse-turd's worth of difference between an '87 5.0, and an '88 5.0, ...but rules is rules. I didn't make 'em either so don't holler at me! :D

I'm not gonna tell you your wrong, right, or both...my point is that the federal ruling supercedes whatever state law you may have.

As far as the 5.0 vs. 3.8 thing...really, if all smog equipment is functioning properly and accounted for, the 5.0 will NOT make any more emissions than the 3.8 will.

The ONLY thing I can think of that engine size would make any difference over would be insurance...

Show those pics though :D

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Reply #11 – December 28, 2009, 03:42:02 PM

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The issue is not that it wouldn't pass its the fact that if he puts in 5.0l for engine size where it used to be 3.8l its going to be a problem and raise questions.

No, It won't. Been there, done that.
You can't explain your way out from breaking the law. If the car has a V8 under the hood, the mechanic is required by law to log it in as so regardless of engine plate. Ignorance of the law does not mean you don't have to follow it. IMHO, the mechanic is taking more of a risk fibbing. The whole scenario is kind of mind boggaling, and silly really.

If the fact actually is that you must have this state police division of whatever inspect the car, than that's what you need to be doing rather than circumventing the system. If the swap was done properly, there should be no issue. Why un-necessarily break the law and put your mechanics (though its his stupid decision) cert. at risk?

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Reply #12 – December 28, 2009, 04:10:13 PM

Maybe your cirspoogestances were different? I went to three inspection places and they all told me that it would be a problem, because the computer is looking for 3.8 and if it comes up 5.0 its a problem. If your talking about your mustang, you used the same year motor, and a gt is a v8 to start, and the cobra motor would also be a v8, that might have something to do with it.

Seeing 3.8l on the top of the motor he told me it could just be a clerical mistake or whatnot. Thats not severe and wouldn't be putting his cert at risk, he told me that himself. The state police inspection is not easy to pass. If there is a exhaust hanger 1/2 inch not where the factory put it, they will fail you. Stuff like that is what I'm worried about. When the Olds had to get inspected, there was no overflow tank for the radiator, they didn't come with one and they made me put one in. And I didn't have a windshielf washer fluid bottle, had to put one in.. Stupid stuff like this(obviously not those exact scenarios), the car isn't worth the aggrivation for all that. Not to me.

Fordtruckfreek, I know your not supposed to, the registry told me there are "loopholes" to that. Them being, if the two motors are rated for the same emmsions (the 87 and 88) motor, then the state police could inspect it and declare it okay. But they nitpick. I mean you really have to have everything perfect.

And pictures, just to be honest. :)

Sorry for the py exhaust shot, the ground is soaked. But its a cat, afactory replacement unit from Walker.

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Reply #13 – December 28, 2009, 04:23:53 PM

And I don't mean for this to come off as a g match, I'm just trying to explain everything.

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Reply #14 – December 28, 2009, 04:44:14 PM

It's not a g match. Not at all.

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Maybe your cirspoogestances were different? I went to three inspection places and they all told me that it would be a problem, because the computer is looking for 3.8 and if it comes up 5.0 its a problem. If your talking about your mustang, you used the same year motor, and a gt is a v8 to start, and the cobra motor would also be a v8, that might have something to do with it.

Nope, I'm referring to a 1988 4 cyl turbo coupe with a conversion completed with a 1992 5.0 HO from a mustang.

FWIW, The mustang is OBDII so when connected to the inspection/scan tool, it know that the the engine is not the original GT engine. The VIN# shows its a 2000GT and the computer scans as a 00' cobra believe it or not however there are no conflicts or red flags. Also consider that there was no PRODUCTION 2000 mustang cobra.

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Seeing 3.8l on the top of the motor he told me it could just be a clerical mistake or whatnot.

Thats not a clerical error. I typo sure. Hey, i don't care weather or not that's the method he wants to take to pass you. It makes no difference to me. It's just not legal and like i said, kind of odd and not lawful.

Again, It doesn't matter how nit picky the "police state inspection" is. Your the one that stated it's required, and your the one willingfully and purposefully circumventing it. That's not legal and the car is not legal for use on public roads. Period.

As far as i know the only time a complete vehicle inspection you speak of is required is when a new VIN must be acquired (Kit cars and what not). You seem to think other wise. I don't know for sure, you seem to. Your breaking the law. Like i said, you can't explain your way out of breaking the law. I don't care weather or not you get away with it, I hope you don't get caught. I don't think you will either.