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July 25, 2009, 03:04:07 PM

I've been looking at the alternatives to the stock exhaust manifold. I'm kinda underwhelmed at the alternatives.

However there is good news. Using one of my contacts, I can get cast manifolds made, yet I'll need to sell at least 25 at $150-160 dollars each in order to get a deal done.

Anyone who might be interested? I might be able to swing ceramic coating on the manifolds as well included in the price.

I'm thinking along the lines of a 6 inch primary to a center mount turbo . It would be a top center mount manifold. Turbo size would be up to the majority of people who would want to order.

If this works out, I'll be doing intake manifolds next in Cast aluminum.

headers,

Reply #1 – July 26, 2009, 03:11:28 PM

ok, I have a solution,

If I can get eough people to buy, I will be able to have high flow CAST iron turbo manifolds manufactured.

price will be roughly 150 to 160 dollars a piece.

These will have larger than stock ports and primaries, and a turbo size that will be left up to the buyers (a vote for the size that all will come with). They can also come ceramic coated if wanted and will be able to be ported. These will not be log style but most likely top center turbo mount with 5-6 inch runners. This will require the use of a FMIC if a IC is used. On that side, If I can get enough people on board for a Cast aluminum intake, I will offer that as well which will be also larger than stock ports and runners with an opening outside of the Alternator. These I believe will also be around the same price of 160 dollars.

let me know if you'll be interested. I'll make a 10 dollar donation to the site for each sale.

headers,

Reply #2 – July 27, 2009, 01:52:49 AM

What inside diameter will the primaries end up being? Also, where is the header going to be made, here in the US, or overseas?

headers,

Reply #3 – July 27, 2009, 09:08:52 AM

This is assuming you're talking about the 2.3T?

What are your proposed benefits over what is currently available?

You'll be hard-pressed to get 25 preorders I imagine.

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Reply #4 – July 27, 2009, 11:55:08 AM

The primaries will be larger than stock with room to port. The runner will be longer than the stock log style, and it will be less expensive than a tubular header.

They will be made overseas.

If they flow better than stock and probably as good as a Tubular design and offer a performance gain and cost 150 dollars, it should be a good product to offer. If I don't get 25 people interested then obviously the demand is not there and I don't have it made.

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Reply #5 – July 27, 2009, 12:22:10 PM

Just saying that it's all talk and benchracing until you make one and test it. Turboforders don't come off their money easily, especially with no physical product to back it up.
You'll have to ante up if you're serious about it.

headers,

Reply #6 – July 27, 2009, 04:30:59 PM

yeah, well I don't have the X thousand it will take to do it just sitting around. I have part of the $$ and will put it up, but need to order a minimum number. In order to meet that number, I need more money.

Does anyone part with their money easily?

I've been down this road before, the project failed because there was a single investor who backed out when there was a shipping delay.

Since I can't just Ante up all of it, if I don't get a certain number of orders, it does not happen. I'm simply offering an alternative to the stuff thats out there. Don't like the way I'm doing it then let me know if you have any suggestions other than telling me to pull money out of thin air.

headers,

Reply #7 – July 27, 2009, 04:35:51 PM

BTW,

there will be at least a 2 year warranty.

headers,

Reply #8 – July 27, 2009, 05:00:19 PM

Have you posted this on Turboford and NATO? Those sites are more geared toward the 2.3t, while this one is geared toward all Fox (and some MN12) T-Birds and Cougars

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Reply #9 – July 28, 2009, 12:46:12 PM

I can't join Turboford right now because I use Hotmail. As for NATO, I did post something but it was removed.

also, as to the point stated earlier. I believe I amn doing the best thing by telling people up front that I do not have the product in hand. How many times have you heard of, or even experienced yourself, ordering a product you thought was in stock, and then being run around for a long time before getting the product. THere is no need for run-arounds if you buy something and someone has it in stock, when they do this it is usually due to them lying or "failing to mention" that the part is not in stock. If I don't get the orders required, I'll learn that I should just lie and then give everyone the run-around.

headers,

Reply #10 – July 28, 2009, 01:08:01 PM

Quote from: COLVINDESIGN;284091

yeah, well I don't have the X thousand it will take to do it just sitting around. I have part of the $$ and will put it up, but need to order a minimum number. In order to meet that number, I need more money.

Does anyone part with their money easily?

I've been down this road before, the project failed because there was a single investor who backed out when there was a shipping delay.

Since I can't just Ante up all of it, if I don't get a certain number of orders, it does not happen. I'm simply offering an alternative to the stuff thats out there. Don't like the way I'm doing it then let me know if you have any suggestions other than telling me to pull money out of thin air.

Don't get snippy...I'm just telling you how things go. It's not like I'm new to the game myself.

I have been selling parts to turboforders for over 5 years. Things I have designed and built myself. I had prototypes on my car for almost 2 years before that before anyone even took notice or cared. To get things rolling I had to put up a couple samples to known members of the forum to get feedback. I'd also been a member of that community for 5-6 years as well before I started selling. I had contacts from my old job(which was in automotive aftermarket manufacturing and engineering) and enough credibility with the group to be able to say to the community at large what I would deliver and how I would deliver it and started with smaller group purchases/batch orders. I didn't (and still don't) have the $$$ to plunk it all down up front either.

Of course there will be "interest", but folks want to see hard parts. Especialy from a new vendor. They would rather give their money to someone who has supported the forum for a while and offers a known quantity instead of some "new" guy who "has an idea". It's been seen/done before.

You want a suggestion? Try talking to your contact and see if smaller quantities can be done. See if you can get a couple samples. If they want business, even if it's small, they will work with you. THIS is what will make the difference on whether it will happen or not.

Using an outside vendor for something like casting a new part is most likely not going to be a smooth process and delays are going to happen, and most likely won't be short ones. People are not going to be happy waiting months for a part, which may or not even be worth it in the end. For the price they pay you, or even double the price, they can buy a known product from a known vendor, or even build their own.

Bringing a new product to market is going to take work and money. It's just the facts.

headers,

Reply #11 – July 28, 2009, 02:17:17 PM

And to add that a py economy sure won't help any either...:hick:

headers,

Reply #12 – July 28, 2009, 02:30:59 PM

Quote from: Chuck W;284218

Don't get snippy...I'm just telling you how things go. It's not like I'm new to the game myself.

I have been selling parts to turboforders for over 5 years. Things I have designed and built myself. I had prototypes on my car for almost 2 years before that before anyone even took notice or cared. To get things rolling I had to put up a couple samples to known members of the forum to get feedback. I'd also been a member of that community for 5-6 years as well before I started selling. I had contacts from my old job(which was in automotive aftermarket manufacturing and engineering) and enough credibility with the group to be able to say to the community at large what I would deliver and how I would deliver it and started with smaller group purchases/batch orders. I didn't (and still don't) have the $$$ to plunk it all down up front either.

Of course there will be "interest", but folks want to see hard parts. Especialy from a new vendor. They would rather give their money to someone who has supported the forum for a while and offers a known quantity instead of some "new" guy who "has an idea". It's been seen/done before.

You want a suggestion? Try talking to your contact and see if smaller quantities can be done. See if you can get a couple samples. If they want business, even if it's small, they will work with you. THIS is what will make the difference on whether it will happen or not.

Using an outside vendor for something like casting a new part is most likely not going to be a smooth process and delays are going to happen, and most likely won't be short ones. People are not going to be happy waiting months for a part, which may or not even be worth it in the end. For the price they pay you, or even double the price, they can buy a known product from a known vendor, or even build their own.

Bringing a new product to market is going to take work and money. It's just the facts.

I was reacting to your post.

Using an outside vendor to make cast iron is the only way for me to make cast iron. Yes, delays can and most likely will happen. I can talk to them to see if lower numbers are possible.

Let me also say this. I'm doing this and have tried to do this because I have been out of work for a long time. There are no good paying jobs available for a Telecommunications installer in my area. I also have other factors that limit me to my area. I'm an honest hard working guy. I have a lot to offer and can offer a lot if I can get things lined up right. As a potentioal competitor, do you find it your responsibilty to discredit me immediately or do you thiink you might try to find out what I have to offer and see if perhaps we can help each other? After all, I don't have everything it takes to get going, it sounds like you are already a few steps ahead but probably need to go quite a bit further before being considered a successful aftermarket parts maker. Perhaps I can help.

I'll PM to to keep the thread on Topic.

headers,

Reply #13 – July 28, 2009, 02:47:23 PM

Well I was not discrediting you in any way, shape, or form. Just putting out there what the lay of the land is. If you have an idea, great. You asked for suggestions, and you then get defensive. *shrug*

As far as myself being successful, considering every part that I sell comes from my hands, and I have 500+ units in service, around the world, I think I'm doing pretty well for working in a niche market.

headers,

Reply #14 – July 28, 2009, 03:26:40 PM

Quote from: Chuck W;284229

Well I was not discrediting you in any way, shape, or form. Just putting out there what the lay of the land is. If you have an idea, great. You asked for suggestions, and you then get defensive. *shrug*

As far as myself being successful, considering every part that I sell comes from my hands, and I have 500+ units in service, around the world, I think I'm doing pretty well for working in a niche market.

Check your PMs.

Well you are trying to lead me down a path to discredit myself or to basically give up. Understandable when you yourself are in the market. My question is this, are you content making a few hundred parts or would you rather use your knowledge and ability to design parts, then have them made elsewhere and sell hundreds of different parts per month?