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It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #30 –
like Kitz

Im for a union in these times but be assured everyone that unions will be a thing of the past coming shortly.  They will rise up again under the control of you know who.  The boyscout running the treasury.

I am for unions but they need to find thier footing , get ancd to the reasons of forming one.

My brother in law had a shoulder issue and wasnt able to go see a doctor until he notified the union, and the union would tell him which doctor to go see.

That doctor said he was fine,,,,,, (THANK YOU DANA in Statesville NC),  well after a few years now, he is on his way to being an elderly 30 yr old .

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #31 –
i work for a company that used to be union - they are owned by Tyco Fire and Security, and from what I've heard from the older employees (who were there well before we were bought out by tyco and merged with another company and consequently dropped by the union) that the company is way better now. We have cheaper and more benefits, more resources for other things, yet we retained the union pay scale. I'm not saying all unions are bad, but there are some that are just a drain on people as well as the economy. A lot of people got screwed when this happened - lost pensions, lost jobs, ect. People that had 5 years or more kept a small pension, but the ones who lacked 2,3,or 4 months would have to quit their current jobs, (who, since then have been working here for 10+ years now) join a union company, and lose out on a lot of what they are  getting now.
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It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #32 –
Iknow exactly what your talking about ,in the late 90's I worked for a foundry here ,I was injured ,completely blow out me knee ,3 surgeries later by workers comp doctors I was told it can't be fixed . No union in this place but when push comes to shove you turn to the lawyers it was a pain in the but in the end I got what I needed to cover the cost of having total joint replacement in 10 or so years when it completely goes . Point is a lawyer can accomplish just as much as a union . I hope your brother in law gets taken care of in the end .

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #33 –
As of late,,,

Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann has become my hero!!

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #34 –
Quote from: jcassity;264973
As of late,,,

Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann has become my hero!!

Mine too, but I'm a bit biased, lol.  I don't want to get political, but I can hear the words, "I told you so." For those that don't know, she opposed the big 3 bailout, speculating that they would only ask for more tax payer money.  Which they did.  And that we would end up stepping in.  Which, today we did.

Unions as a balance.  Yep.  Do all of them do that?  nope.  My dad lost out because of hard lines drawn against Northwest Airlines.
1987 TC

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #35 –
Where is this bailout coming from ,they are asking for a low interest fixed rate LOAN, not a bundle of cash that they have no intention of paying back . We would be more likely to get our money back from GM ,Chrysler,and Ford then AIG, CITI or Bank of America ,I would almost guarantee it .If we can give AIG over 85 Billion so they can go on vacation and hand out bonuses I think we could risk a loan to the car makers.

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #36 –
I was paraphrasing.  I'm not taking any sides.

What was originally introduced as a bailout, ended up being a loan.
1987 TC

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #37 –
Quote from: yankeepete;264982
hand out bonuses .

no such thing was paid.  Retention fees were.
PM me and I will explain where my apparently odd logic is coming from so then you can see why I say this.  Its not that you would agree, i just find it important that I explain my actions as to not appear as a smart ass,, just fact based information.
this way Its an offline to the side converstation.

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #38 –
Quote from: jcassity;264973
As of late,,,

Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann has become my hero!!


So you believe there should be an armed insurrection to overthrow the United States government? Bachmann, that psychotic moron does.
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It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #39 –
It would be nice if a Union actually did care about balance and protecting jobs. But you can't tell me that what the UAW/CAW are doing now is about protecting jobs, when their hard line is costing them tens of thousands of workers. Some things only work in theory, but fail when you have to rely on someone to look out for the better good of every party.

And Unions would be completely obsolete if Labour Laws were more up to date and inclusive. I have no use for Unions because they don't represent equality, they represent entitlement. If every worker in the nation was protected in the same way, with a decent base-line pay, we would see people asking, "why am I paying these extra dues when I'm already getting the same benefit and paying taxes every year?" We all have a Union. It's called a Government, and our taxes, mixed with Labour Laws (that didn't exist until the Unions came along, so yes, I agree that they have had a large part to play, and were more than necessary back in the day) are our dues and benefits. If those laws aren't up to snuff, you call for change and make it an election issue. Once we got Minimum Wage, paid sick days, EI, CPP, SS, National work safety standards, the right to refuse, etc., the days for the Unions were numbered. They are obsolete, or will be soon enough.

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #40 –
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All I can say is I've seen how the unions use there influence here ,Iowa Steam and pipe fitters union tying up an ethanol plant project in court when they found out no union contractor had there bids accepted
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It would be nice if a Union actually did care about balance and protecting jobs. But you can't tell me that what the UAW/CAW are doing now is about protecting jobs, when their hard line is costing them tens of thousands of workers. Some things only work in theory, but fail when you have to rely on someone to look out for the better good of every party.

And Unions would be completely obsolete if Labour Laws were more up to date and inclusive. I have no use for Unions because they don't represent equality, they represent entitlement. If every worker in the nation was protected in the same way, with a decent base-line pay, we would see people asking, "why am I paying these extra dues when I'm already getting the same benefit and paying taxes every year?" We all have a Union. It's called a Government, and our taxes, mixed with Labour Laws (that didn't exist until the Unions came along, so yes, I agree that they have had a large part to play, and were more than necessary back in the day) are our dues and benefits. If those laws aren't up to snuff, you call for change and make it an election issue. Once we got Minimum Wage, paid sick days, EI, CPP, SS, National work safety standards, the right to refuse, etc., the days for the Unions were numbered. They are obsolete, or will be soon enough.
Some sectors need the union influence. Your argument is god only if companies/employers are honest and play by the rules. The UBC (brotherhood of carpenters) is strong around here and they go out of their way to protect both union and non union workers. Time and time again they have fought for workers that have gotten screwed by contractors. Mis-classification of workers, with holding wages and or workers rights, safety issues etc. can be a problem in the trade. I dont see any non-union workers on state funded jobs complaining about their pay check at the end of the week (prevailing wage jobs). That is, if their employer pays it out like they are supposed too. Often they do not. The trade is MUCH safer because of the union and the workers are generally more skilled. On the flip side, what comes off of the top of our pay for our health, ins, annuity, pension, and dues would make you puke. Obviously, cost of union construction is higher than non union scabbs.

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So you believe there should be an armed insurrection to overthrow the United States government? Bachmann, that psychotic moron does.
Let's not get into a discussion about what your psycotic moron "massiah" believes......
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It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #41 –
Well, this thread is about to go down in flames.

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #42 –
Lol - it's a Shame, isn't it!
11.96 @ 118 MPH old 306 KB; 428W coming soon.

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #43 –
Quote from: oldraven;265030
Well, this thread is about to go down in flames.


I agree. This is going to get ugly fast. Non-union .vs. pro-union.
 

It's do or die for GM, Chrysler: GM given 60 days, Chrysler 30

Reply #44 –
Ok,ok , I kinda started this ,so let me clarify I have said not all unions are bad and some still serve a purpose in certain industries ,But some of these larger unions in well regulated industries have served their purpose and have become too big and cumbersome for the industry and workers they represent .It is these that either need to be dismantled or have their powers limited for the benefit of all involved . I'm not completely anti union ,I'm also not pro big Government , I can't see the current situation in the auto industry improving without a major overhaul of the way labor and financial matters are handled now.