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Reply #15
Eric brought up another very valid point: Speed cameras check one thing only: Speed. They do not look for tailgaters, dangerous drivers, drunk drivers, unsafe vehicles, stolen vehicles, or any of the real dangers. They do not patrol the roads and assist in breakdowns or look for criminal behavoiur. They look for speed. This will eventually have the opposite effect of safety: Once people get used to knowing they can get away with anything they want as long as they do it slowly you'll see much worse behaviour on highways than people driving 15MPH over the limit.
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Reply #16
Quote from: DVP;260282
Hope I see some decrease in crime, not a decrease in the police force. That would be a slap in everyones face if they cut officers.


As stated in my original post. Although what you say is true, cuts are being made EVERYWHERE. Job security does not exist.

Believe it or not, that is how I feel.
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Reply #17
Thanks for making those points Carm... I can understand the complaints about it when you bring up those points.

Have you by chance called to complain (many times) about the issues going on near your home? I just wondered if you had reported the incident. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, ya know?  I just wondered if you report things as they happen if it would increase patrols in that area.

Eric, you brought up good points too... it's good to see that there are more reasons for not having them than "police losing their jobs" and "it's not constitutional".  Those points you brought up are much more valid (to me anyway).
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Reply #18
Trust me, it's a very hot issue around here, and we've seen our share of spats over it, including quite a few legal ones. In this area, people will do anything to cheat the system. The local police departments that have the traffic cameras typically are in the cities where there are the fewest layoffs in safety forces (although that has changed in the last year or so). It's not hard to figure out that money is the sole motivating factor, not "safety".

It all starts with a hare-brained mayor that seems to think it's a "good idea". From there it rolls downhill very quickly...

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Reply #19
grrrrr

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Reply #20
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grrrrr


i agree

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Reply #21
Quote from: LittleAngel1198;260319
Have you by chance called to complain (many times) about the issues going on near your home? I just wondered if you had reported the incident. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, ya know?  I just wondered if you report things as they happen if it would increase patrols in that area.
I've complained, signed petitions, and have even considered getting a video camera and filming some of these hillbillies as they fly by (sometimes in cars missing doors, fer chrissake!). Gov't doesn't care, there's no money in enforcing the law in rural areas.
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Reply #22
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;260311
Karen: If it was about safety I'd have no problem whatsoever with speed cameras. Unfortunately safety has nothing to do with it. Speed cameras are rarely, if ever, set up in an area where excessive speed will kill you or somebody else (like on old back roads, at construction sites, etc). They're almost exclusively set up on some of the safest stretches of road around (interstates, 4-lanes) because that's where people are more likely to speed. Another popular speed camera trick is to set up in an area where there is a sudden reduction in speed limits, or where the speed limit is kept artificially low for the sole purpose of nailing speeders. In other words they are set up where they can make the most money, not where they can make the most difference with safety.

And it's not just speed cameras set up at these convenient locations. Police officers frequent them as well. Every time I go to the city I see a speed trap on the same stretch of road. Perfectly straight, perfectly level, four lanes of smooth pavement, and at the times they set their traps, relatively light traffic. Perfect place to catch speeders.

Meanwhile the newspapers are full every day of people being killed on the twisted, hilly, and very poor condition back roadsmuch like the road I live on. In fact, I live right at the point where the speed limit goes from 50 to 40 MPH (the sign is actually on my property) because there's a very sharp turn coming up with a gas station on that turn. Two months after I moved in a person was killed on that turn - she was out checking her mailbox and a speeding (and drunk) teenager lost it on the turn and nailed her. Every single day I see people pulling around other cars to pass right in front of my house, even though it's a reduced speed zone, not a passing lane, and in one direction it's a blind turn and in the other it's a blind hill. Every time I leave my driveway, even if I'm turning right, I have to look both ways before leaving it to make sure nobody's coming the other way on the wrong side of the road.

Yet you NEVER see police cars on the back roads. EVER. Because there isn't enough volume to write the officer's pay cheque, much less for his car and radar gun. Speed cameras at least eliminate the officer and car, but they still set 'em up in the safest but most profitable areas, not the areas that could really use some enforcement.

Check that: You do see cop cars on the back roads sometimes: For one month a year, it's deer season, and the back roads suddenly become busy. Lots of drunk drivers and gun violations. There are police everywhere at that time of year. I'm not growling about them being there, though - I just wish they'd devote that same kind of attention to the real dangerous roads the other 11 months of the year.


A good comparison is red-light cameras in PA. I think there are a grand total of three or four, statewide. One is at a specific intersection on Roosevelt Blvd. in north Philly. I couldn't count the number of fatal accidents they have there each year. So, they finally put in a red-light camera in. By state law, red-light cameras are forbidden except for the specific (three or four) intersections mentioned in the statute -- because they really are dangerous intersections. The fact that speed cameras are being installed statewide just doesn't pass the smell test.

There's a reason why radar and laser are banned statewide from use by local munilities in PA. We don't want every little two-bit town preying on people passing through. New Jersey is like that, and we don't want to live that way. Speed can be enforced where it's a problem, but the increased level of effort required to use VASCAR means that towns will use it only where speeding is actually a safety problem.
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Reply #23
I don't know how or what they are taught, but drivers in Germany are far better than drivers here.  Driving over there is so much nicer and driving habits/styles are much more consistent over there.  It seems all we have to do is fog up a mirror to get a license.

I know that doesn't have much to do with the subject but I think the problem with US drivers is the driver education they are required to obtain before getting license.
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Reply #24
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I don't know how or what they are taught, but drivers in Germany are far better than drivers here.  Driving over there is so much nicer and driving habits/styles are much more consistent over there.  It seems all we have to do is fog up a mirror to get a license.

I know that doesn't have much to do with the subject but I think the problem with US drivers is the driver education they are required to obtain before getting license.


Process is much longer and more expensive. It is actually seen as a privilege and not a right... like it should be seen here. Almost anyone can get a license here.

Wait you got to drive in Germany? Autobahn?
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Reply #25
littleangle,,
I find it very distrubing that your thoughs on post 7 and 10 were so frim and grounded as though there is no disputing it, only to be so easily persuded in the other direction .... Just an observation so dont blast me on it.

In retrospect to this,, a good friend and famous politician once said "the buisness of the nation is buisness">purdy deep when you think about it.  Its ironic this camera system is in a way capitalizm in its truest form and i should lump it and like it.

I may have been among the whiners you pointed to but rest assure I am a perfect roll model citizen.  I have no criminal record and intend to keep it that way.  I have a full life syle polygraph , TSC ,and all the whistles n bells in JVAC's to prove i have passed many tests.  I do however have this nitch for observation and its usefullness did not go overlooked with uncle sam in the sand pit over seas recently.  I read things like a see them with no contamination inserted from anything outside our basic constitution.  When someone says a person can be guilty unless the prove they are inocent, I say this is wrong because of our Basic constitution, not because of some add on from later years having to do with Cival court.  Reverting to my knowledge of our constitution , anything court related says we are not guilty unless proven otherwise.

Just as a point, I do whine but I am not a bad driver as you can see,,just an averge joe. I do not believe anyone else here is a whiner either.  I can not let obstructions like this go without speaking up for myself and those who lost thier voice long ago.

It isnt right that you can bet your bottom dollar this camara system of a machine will only do one thing and thats to generate money.  WIll it be useful when a rape happens on the corner of x/y street? a robbery or another crime?  That will be the time when you hear those elected officals come up with every song and dance to delay the media in hopes they forget or bigger news of the day takes its place.  These things are here to screw you 95% of the time.  The other 5% is when they are broken or useless to any other crime comitted that does not generate revenue.


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Your dead on..........ever been through a "self service" toll booth.  Folks thought that was a secure job.  I heard rumor of hospitals with automated nursing systems where a certified contractor would dawn the suit of the day and play attendant here in the Greenbrier Hospital due to <<>> lack of talent or skilled workers.  Cops can be replaced just as well as i can be replaced tomorrow.  Ever do a self check out grocery,,,:rollin: HAHAH,, yeah that use to be a  secure job.  SO,, lessons learned,,,,>> Bots of some form are the wave of the future so get your degree in it before the market is flooded.  At one poiint in time, it was my calling but the nation in general was not ready for it.  As these things get pushed down our throats to the point we actually forget we have a voice anymore, only then will we all be the same.  sad but true,,,,yet it is preventable.  As long as your not guilty of something, you have free speech.  As soon as policy is passed to make you guilty of something by default, you become the criminal and at which point you will conform more easily out of fear.

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Reply #26
Quote from: DVP;260446
Process is much longer and more expensive. It is actually seen as a privilege and not a right... like it should be seen here. Almost anyone can get a license here.

Wait you got to drive in Germany? Autobahn?


Yeah, several times. Autobahn is their "interstate" system. The more rural portions have derestriction zones where you can open up a bit. I had an A6 over there last time. Turbo diesel 7-speed shiftronic. It topped out (couldn't go any faster than) at about 230kph. Felt good...actually better than the 5-series I had a few times before that.
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Reply #27
It sounds like a complete waste of time. I think the last thing I need to worry about is driving a 33,000 gvwr f750 with a 7,000 trailer and being able to stop in time for a light. You get a truck that big going 55 and the light turns yellow and you only have a second or two to decide whether you want to lock up the tires or coast through the end of the intersection as the light turns red. I think that could hurt alot more people then help. If a driver isn't paying alot of attention and see's me try to stop as the light goes green, they may just go as I sail through them with a giant steel renforced bumper.

Not only that, there are times when you need to go under or over the speed limit in extreme situations. I have met someone on a on-ramp where I was going close to the speed limit and was trapped in the right lane, when someone tried to merge going less then 45. There have been a couple of times where I didn't have time to stop, but could get in front of a car in the next lane over. If it came between a ticket in a work truck, which I would lose my job, or forcing someone off the freeway, it may just come to the latter.
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Reply #28
Jcassity, I already explained why I changed my opinion on it... two people pointed out actual (situations) reasons why they are a bad idea.... I don't understand why it is a big deal to you that I changed my opinion on it because of that.
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Reply #29
do the ticket issuers have to follow the law to enforce it?
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/denvers-red-light-cameras-no-data-just-tickets.ars

who cares about privacy?
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/25/2537.asp

it's all about the 'safety'
http://www.leftlanenews.com/six-us-cities-tamper-with-traffic-cameras-for-profit.html
http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/red_light_cameras_yellow_light.php
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23710970/
http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-119/123697404333220.xml&storylist=topstories&thispage=2

not photo cameras, but same theme:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Property_seizures_seen_as_piracy_.html
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