I am pissed about Electric costs February 28, 2009, 12:55:38 AM My power company (allegheny power) sent a flyer in my power bill last month indicating my bill is going to increase 15% due to ,,,,and I quote......."due to the dramatic rise in caol prices, which is the single mlargest component of Allegheny's cost of producing electricity"This is on top of the 11% increase announced in july08.Now.... looking at this and other sourceshttp://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/coal/page/coalnews/coalmar.htmlIt would appear that this company http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/coal/page/coalnews/coalmar.htmlwould actually be getting funding to mine more coal , and pass the cost of them setting up / tooling up to do so,,, just so that very coal can be sent herehttp://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2009-02/23/content_7501424.htmIsnt this like an advance bailout bypassing the govt and pinching the public. Perhaps they( the power company) figures the public at large is too distracted to notice. I see coal prices going down. I am really pissed at this whole rate increase. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #1 – February 28, 2009, 02:09:33 AM that why, in my home town where fighting to stop some goofballs from installing there old 1800 technology. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #2 – February 28, 2009, 08:57:53 AM They just stopped a Coal plant just got halted from being built out here. Dude it sounds like they are hurting for money like everyone else. Make up a story why they need more money PROBLEM SOLVED! Unfortunatly for them the world doesnt like to be taken advantage of. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #3 – February 28, 2009, 09:22:21 AM Sounds like to me that you guys are forgetting that those companies aren't buying that stuff at todays prices. Like those people that make those bottles of oil they bought there BASE a little while back and then work it so you have the item you want NOW. If you look at it like this Oil prices are down but the price of a quart of oil is still high. Why cause when the oil company bought that BASE the price was way up so they can't just cut the price and loose there hind end cause the price of the base is so cheap today. If you paid $2quart to make the oil your not gonna sell it with out making some $$$ too. Not saying that makes it right but that is what is going on across the nation. Now witch ones really are doing it for a reason and witch are doing it to make some extra dollars that is one that I don't think any of us have the answer to. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #4 – February 28, 2009, 10:11:29 AM My bill has a fuel adjustment increase in the summary section of the bill, and my fuel cost adjustment rose to 47 dollars last month - insane but then again the companies know they can make the money b/c electricity is needed. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #5 – February 28, 2009, 10:41:59 AM I am at the mercy of the local Co-op for my heating, and power use. They sent a flyer a couple months ago also. I'm crossing my fingers. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #6 – February 28, 2009, 11:30:27 AM Quote from: ipsd;258908Sounds like to me that you guys are forgetting that those companies aren't buying that stuff at todays prices. Like those people that make those bottles of oil they bought there BASE a little while back and then work it so you have the item you want NOW. If you look at it like this Oil prices are down but the price of a quart of oil is still high. Why cause when the oil company bought that BASE the price was way up so they can't just cut the price and loose there hind end cause the price of the base is so cheap today. If you paid $2quart to make the oil your not gonna sell it with out making some $$$ too. Not saying that makes it right but that is what is going on across the nation. Now witch ones really are doing it for a reason and witch are doing it to make some extra dollars that is one that I don't think any of us have the answer to.Except that they raised prices IMMEDIATELY when the BASE price when up, and took their time LOWERING the prices as the BASE cost went down. If you look at Exxon/Mobile, there's no "losing their hind end" going on, exactly the opposite in fact. WE'RE the ones "losing our hind end"! Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #7 – February 28, 2009, 12:00:14 PM Quote from: Cougar5.0;258921Except that they raised prices IMMEDIATELY when the BASE price when up, and took their time LOWERING the prices as the BASE cost went down. If you look at Exxon/Mobile, there's no "losing their hind end" going on, exactly the opposite in fact. WE'RE the ones "losing our hind end"!Hence the start of this economic depression...;) Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #8 – February 28, 2009, 12:05:55 PM wtf they doing buying coal for power in the year 2009 anyway?Not to make this political (although actually it all boils down to that) and I'm not a real Obama fan... but I believe part of his plan to do away with dirty sources of energy (electricity) in the US. Bailout is passed, 700bill out there right now, is your area looking to grab any of that up to clean up these sources of energy?SolarWindor the one I think is great Geothermalhttp://geothermal.marin.org/pwrheat.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6r_3AgI49Y&feature=relatedsome areas are less likely to be able to generate electricity this way, but as I also understand his plan is to connect all areas of the US with lines... the plant may be in California (and other places) but the wires would run national. So where in the US would be irrelevant.What does this have to do with your bill going up now? Well not much, but if you see any projects like this popping up in your area, support them (is really all you can do other than refuse to pay your bill.. but I don't think that would go over real well with the wife and kids).. with any of these sources they rely very little on outside materials, coal, oil, etc. you simply need to maintain the facility's, wages, maintenance, etc... the same cost your Coal plants or any other plant also have. once the hole is drilled (the source), hot water is free, the wind is free, the sun is free.I'm lucky here in Wa. we have Hydro power. http://www.bpa.gov/corporate/We get discounts for saving electricity because BPA sells it to Cal where they pay a premium. it does look like we may also have a rate increase coming soon however.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29153235/9.4 percent.. the first one in 6 years. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #9 – February 28, 2009, 12:26:56 PM jimI coulnt agree more with you and on a side note, barry is for clean coal technology, if there is such a thing.The price took a spike last fall and went back to its traditional cost over the past few years. WV has experienced the highest increase in electricity costs (78%), more than any state all of which happened in the past 6 years.BTW, I am on page 259 of the bail out package. the last 450 page bail out under bush was easier to read. I dont think the power company is hurting, i think we are on the ever going capital venture to sell our resources to china like we have been.Of your 39 counties in Washington State, there are 230 surface mines. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #10 – February 28, 2009, 12:42:33 PM Quote from: ipsd;258908Sounds like to me that you guys are forgetting that those companies aren't buying that stuff at todays prices. Like those people that make those bottles of oil they bought there BASE a little while back and then work it so you have the item you want NOW. If you look at it like this Oil prices are down but the price of a quart of oil is still high. Why cause when the oil company bought that BASE the price was way up so they can't just cut the price and loose there hind end cause the price of the base is so cheap today. If you paid $2quart to make the oil your not gonna sell it with out making some $$$ too. Not saying that makes it right but that is what is going on across the nation. Now witch ones really are doing it for a reason and witch are doing it to make some extra dollars that is one that I don't think any of us have the answer to.I am sharp enough to understand that, the reason i brought it up though is because i dont see the global justification based on the 9 reports I looked at. All the reports and stock prices have agreed this last fall event was a spike unlike anything in the past few years. The can of oil you buy now should be going down in price soon , correct? Its like a gallon of milk price. Some people work one hour to pay for a gallon of milk. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #11 – February 28, 2009, 04:37:16 PM Quote from: Jim_Miller;258923wtf they doing buying coal for power in the year 2009 anyway?Not to make this political (although actually it all boils down to that) and I'm not a real Obama fan... but I believe part of his plan to do away with dirty sources of energy (electricity) in the US. Bailout is passed, 700bill out there right now, is your area looking to grab any of that up to clean up these sources of energy?SolarWindor the one I think is great Geothermalhttp://geothermal.marin.org/pwrheat.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6r_3AgI49Y&feature=relatedsome areas are less likely to be able to generate electricity this way, but as I also understand his plan is to connect all areas of the US with lines... the plant may be in California (and other places) but the wires would run national. So where in the US would be irrelevant.What does this have to do with your bill going up now? Well not much, but if you see any projects like this popping up in your area, support them (is really all you can do other than refuse to pay your bill.. but I don't think that would go over real well with the wife and kids).. with any of these sources they rely very little on outside materials, coal, oil, etc. you simply need to maintain the facility's, wages, maintenance, etc... the same cost your Coal plants or any other plant also have. once the hole is drilled (the source), hot water is free, the wind is free, the sun is free.I'm lucky here in Wa. we have Hydro power. http://www.bpa.gov/corporate/We get discounts for saving electricity because BPA sells it to Cal where they pay a premium. it does look like we may also have a rate increase coming soon however.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29153235/9.4 percent.. the first one in 6 years.Don't sneer at coal. We would be a third world country today If we never had it. The money spent buying it stays at home.Since you can't store the electricity generated by wind and solar you still need a stable power source. Nuclear power is the only stable non-carbon fuel power source currently available.Hydro is great for clean power but bad for the ecology of the rivers. So nothing is perfect. The availability of hydro is already maxed out. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #12 – March 01, 2009, 12:30:23 AM ffQuote from: softtouch;258946Don't sneer at coal. We would be a third world country today If we never had it. The money spent buying it stays at home.Since you can't store the electricity generated by wind and solar you still need a stable power source. Nuclear power is the only stable non-carbon fuel power source currently available.Hydro is great for clean power but bad for the ecology of the rivers. So nothing is perfect. The availability of hydro is already maxed out.I agree it had it's place, but also feel it is long over due from being replaced.define "stable" for me as you mean it here. Hydro seems stable, as does geothermal.Yes hydro DID mess the rivers up from what they should have been naturally, I say 'DID" since I believe you are also correct about it being maxed out... you can't just put a dam on any river and expect it to work. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #13 – March 01, 2009, 01:11:49 AM Quote from: Jim_Miller;258985define "stable" for me as you mean it here. Hydro seems stable, as does geothermal.Don't know about geothermal or how much potential it has.Power is used when it is generated. Wind and solar is variable with the weather and time of day. It can't be counted on to provide a specific amount of power at all times. Quote Selected
I am pissed about Electric costs Reply #14 – March 01, 2009, 01:27:33 AM Quote from: softtouch;258991Don't know about geothermal or how much potential it has.Power is used when it is generated. Wind and solar is variable with the weather and time of day. It can't be counted on to provide a specific amount of power at all times.The wide spread perception of solar is a little under rated.Here is my pen 15s project I finished up last fall. It came out very well, customer declined the UnigyII battery storage plan for green metering.If anyone is interested in offering this service to thier customers, let me know and we can do a turn key operation. I see opportunity with every flat surface.http://www.alpha.com/Products/Alphachf/Renewable-Energy/Commercial-Systems/pen 15s-Communications/WOW, i just notice a typo in our case study........http://www.alpha.com/Media/Documents/pen 15s-Phoenix_ParkingStructure%20case%20study.pdf;;;; Quote Selected
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