Manual rack? February 18, 2009, 01:40:19 PM ****EDIT*****HUGE re-post, sorry guys. I still do have questions though.Do I need SN-95 tie rods? 5.8fastcat had to run them but he also is running SN-95 spindles. If I wont need those will it be a direct swap? It is from a 79 Capri, wants $65, Good deal? Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #1 – February 19, 2009, 03:04:12 AM If you are referring to a direct swap with your rack and pinion, it should fit, I cannot guarantee the tie rod ends will be long enough, but I certainly think that it should bolt directly to the K member and that the steering shaft will bolt up. You may need to play with tie rod ends to complete the bolt in. Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #2 – March 06, 2009, 04:29:56 PM Quote from: Lightningbird;257638If you are referring to a direct swap with your rack and pinion, it should fit, I cannot guarantee the tie rod ends will be long enough, but I certainly think that it should bolt directly to the K member and that the steering shaft will bolt up. You may need to play with tie rod ends to complete the bolt in.Been looking around and I keep seeing these adapter kits for the shaft. I hope I dont need this.Anyone done it that can chime in? Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #3 – March 15, 2009, 06:44:22 PM I do not think it is an adapter for the shaft, rather a smaller diameter shaft that does not include the rag joint that alwayshiznits the headers. A Manual rack was installed in some of the earlier fox's (most likely "never" a T-Bird) so I am sure the shaft "adapter" is not needed. The "adapter" just has no rag joint and utilizes two U joints instead. This is not an adapter, but rather a replacement piece. You do not have to use the flaming river rack, hit auto zone and buy a replacement mustang/fairmont piece for half the cost or more. Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #4 – March 15, 2009, 08:50:20 PM i believe he's talking about this adapter...manual racks(both FR and factory) use a different size diameter for the steering shaft to mate to the rack's shaft. this piece is used in conjunction with the stock rag joint. Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #5 – March 15, 2009, 09:01:57 PM and for fuck's sake......http://www.coolcats.net/tech/advanced/4to5lug.html Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #6 – March 15, 2009, 09:19:12 PM I threw a rack on my 87 tbird off of a 89-93 mustang. I didn't have to change anything. Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #8 – March 15, 2009, 11:09:14 PM manual racks are REALLY popular with miata enthusiasts. they either lose the p/s all together (so they have a plug kit) or i think they put a different pully on the pump to get less P/s and more road feel in the steering wheel, which can seem numb at times. is this what your goin for DVP? or just a cheaper solution? Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #9 – March 16, 2009, 05:54:58 PM Quote from: 32VFoxBird;261817and for fuck's sake......http://www.coolcats.net/tech/advanced/4to5lug.htmlOk....? I was just wondering if stock length is going to work. The only person that has done has had any experience doing this swap happen to also run SN-95 spindles. Just asking.... Quote from: ~AC;261850manual racks are REALLY popular with miata enthusiasts. they either lose the p/s all together (so they have a plug kit) or i think they put a different pully on the pump to get less P/s and more road feel in the steering wheel, which can seem numb at times. is this what your goin for DVP? or just a cheaper solution?Well my rack is bad, plus one less pulley = less drag, little less weight, and no more whine.I did hear that if you replace your PS fluid with Honda spec PS fluid the whine goes away. Just hearsay. Need rack and shaft ASAP. Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #10 – March 16, 2009, 06:47:55 PM let me know how it goes dvp, sounds like a good mod for the stock car hehe Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #11 – March 16, 2009, 07:09:39 PM D, you should drive your car and when youre goin about 15mph and just shut the engine off.. try to steer the car and use the brakes.. GOOD LUCK. on a stock car racecar you dont need power steering b/c of the camber of the tires and the banking of the corners. but these foxes are heavy. you might need to get a manual steering box (that changes the gear ratio aka 2.5 turns lock to lock replaced with 1.5 turns lock to lock.) i dont think you could turn the wheels on these fox bird/cougars in a parking lot without p/s.(FYI to save gas i've shut the car off to roll into my driveway and to some stop signs. the brakes go manual and is hard, and it becomes nearly impossible to turn.. i mean sure you can do it, but daily driver?! holy no.) Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #12 – March 16, 2009, 09:28:14 PM I've driven many miles with no power steering or power brakes. Both at the same time in my dad's 86 with a 5.0. Its no problem if you ask me. The 87 tbird I drive now, I drove with no power steering for about 4 weeks with no problems. I honestly much prefer it to be non-fuctional. I am alittle bit bigger guy, but I wouldn't consider myself to be stronger then the average person. My little sister drove the car and thought it was nice like that. I threw a 89 rack in off a mustang with power steering because of a crooked saftey and emissions place.They told me I couldn't drive the car without power steering and it would be illegal to modify it to be without power. Then after I threw the new rack in, they told me I should go back and yell at the shop I had it done at because of how much it leaked. I used thread sealer and installed new lines and made sure it didn't leak and cleaned up the whole engine compartment of tranny fluid from the rack. It hasn't dripped a leak as far as I know, and the fluid hasn't dipped since October. Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #13 – March 16, 2009, 09:42:23 PM i didnt say it couldnt be done.. unless your 15, 5'0", and 85lbs... but i unno in a heavy car i guess its up to the driver/owner. i wouldnt prefer it that way unless i could change the steering box ratio. but still, DV should still try it and see if thats what he'd be up for. imo its really sketchy, but at the same time i didnt drive many miles etc without it. so haystack has more experience and if he says it'll be fine aside the legal issue, try it! Quote Selected
Manual rack? Reply #14 – March 16, 2009, 09:46:49 PM Quote from: ~AC;261994D, you should drive your car and when youre goin about 15mph and just shut the engine off.. try to steer the car and use the brakes.. GOOD LUCK. on a stock car racecar you dont need power steering b/c of the camber of the tires and the banking of the corners. but these foxes are heavy. you might need to get a manual steering box (that changes the gear ratio aka 2.5 turns lock to lock replaced with 1.5 turns lock to lock.) i dont think you could turn the wheels on these fox bird/cougars in a parking lot without p/s.(FYI to save gas i've shut the car off to roll into my driveway and to some stop signs. the brakes go manual and is hard, and it becomes nearly impossible to turn.. i mean sure you can do it, but daily driver?! holy no.)Shouldnt be that bad. Plus I still have my P/B so I wont be trying to stomp the pedal though the floor and steer. P/S racks and M/S rack have a different ratio like you where saying. Should help there also. No legal issues here. Since I will have an actual manual rack that will never know it had P/S. If it doesnt work out I can swap in a power rack down the road. I dont see it being too much of an issue.Buzzard, you could loop the lines if you wanted to since it is a stock car. Manual steering for free. Quote Selected
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