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Reply #45
I think everyone should just go back to carrying swords.  At least then there would be some sort of skill involved.
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Reply #46
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I think everyone should just go back to carrying swords.


Commodore Perry helped to nix that idea out of the non-military world forever.....
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Reply #47
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So that freaks me out. Having some trouble with the fact that I don't have your opinion, or what? I expect to be the odd man out in this thread. I'm not an idiot.
Nobody said that your an idiot and i do respect your opinion. I get that some people are freaked out about guns, so i support C/C. I believe if your clean ie. without a violent history etc you have all the right. you forfit that right if your a crinimal offender. concealment makes sense. how would you feel if every on on the bus had guns hanging off their hips in plain open veiw?
 
this is where i get cranky. it all comes down to political correctness. its an effing joke almost every time and its what twists all kinds of policies that otherwise would make sense. i cant stand pc. im sorry you may feel "uncomfortable". its just unreasonable to me that these days were so worried about "hurting peoples feelings" that we allow some of our freaking rights be trampled on because of it. people need to grow some skin. toughen up. we live in such a pc society where the freaking youth feel they are "entitled". nothings earned these days. and nothing is respected.
 
i have the right to CC. i have never done anything to lose the right. i dont have to earn it because its a right im born with and should be protected by the us bill of rights. the bill never "gave" us our rights but rather lays them out for us in plain text. How DARE anyone try to take my rights away because they "feel bad" or are "uncomortable" or are frightned or whatever.
 
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I think everyone should just go back to carrying swords. At least then there would be some sort of skill involved.
I agree. I think this would be swell. Just remember though. youl still have PC freaks trying to make them illegal because swords "make them nervous."
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Reply #48
Quote from: Innes;242864
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I can’t believe local law enforcement gave you that much time.


I guess i can understand what you mean.  small town and all so they chit chat with anyone,, shake thier finger at someone who goofing off on the road ect.  You kinda get this feeling if you screw up, they are gonna plan when they show up at your house when you have company and make it public what they caught you doing.  Next thing you know, everyone in your family are watching you and baby sitting your every move.  They dont care around here about the law perse'  as much as they inforce community watch dog.  Recently a guy was up before the magistrate for speeding "because his grandma saw him doing it".  The guy admitted to fault when the officer showed up at his lil bond fire and wrote him out a ticket.  He didnt deny it because then he would be calling gma a lier.  Granted this guy is always driving having quote un quote "too much fun", the cops pretty much expect what they hear to be true.

The cops around here are'nt usually wrong about much, they just get burried with stupid things like fights, wrecks and such.  Usually we dont have a law enforcement guy on duty but just part time.  Lack of budget and low pay and all makes it difficult. When someone around here gets a ticket,, its like a big deal cause you never see local cops on the beat, just the state guys.



Here is how i justify my saying the govt forces us to use a fire arm.  look at the "Knives" section.


 

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Reply #50
Quote from: Chuck W;242916
I think everyone should just go back to carrying swords.  At least then there would be some sort of skill involved.



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Reply #51
Ok some say hunting guns are ok and assault rifles are not. Well here I am talking to a bunch of car guys. Who soops up there cars here how about this. Cars kill a lot more people then guns and should I say assault rifles. Flash hiders are like car spoilers they make your car look good and a gun look good you don’t ban them. Blam spoilers for cars going to quite no wait how about ban hood scoops turbos any power added at all. Matter a fact I don’t think there a reason at all for people to enjoy the car at all no car should have more than 130 hp so it can’t exceed the speed limit.
Gun rules should be enforced against criminals, do your research on how many repeat offenders with a gun charge buy or steal a illegal gun and do it again. There should be stiffer penalty’s for them keep them in jail. NYS finally last year made it a mandatory 1year in jail if you commit a crime w/a firearm which is still not enough and what makes me sick is over a year ago under the right condition they can do next to no time.

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Reply #52
Using the same "It's my God-given right" logic that right wingers usually use, it should be perfectly OK for everyone to store a nuclear weapon under his bed, or to stockpile bilogical weapons. Nuclear arms are arms, right? And the second amendment does not specify the type of arms, right? A .410 shotgun is exactly the same as an M16 is exactly the same as a Glock is exactly the same as a Blackhawk helicopter. They're all arms, right? Obviously when that amendment was written, it was written in the sense that everyone should have a handgun in their vest, an assault gun strapped to their shin, and a nuclear bomb hidden in the closet. I'm sure that's what the forefathers meant.

This is exactly what I meant in that other recent thread, about how people pick and choose the parts of the constitution they want to hear. They want anything that they agree with to be interpreted as broadly as possible (we all know the original writers of the document did not have machine guns in mind, but since they didn't specifically mention anything against machine guns they must be OK, right???). Meanwhile they want everything they don't agree with to be interpreted as narrowly as possible (equal rights couldn't possibly be extend to gays, could it? Did the forefathers really want to protect those dirty homoshaguals?)

...And as I mentioned in that other thread, BOTH sides are guilty of this manipulation of the wording of the constitution. Just like each religion (and on a finer note, eact religious person) is guilty of picking the parts of the bible that suit them while ignoring the parts that condemn them. This is why we don't see "God hates Adulterers" signs protesting soldiers' funerals. The bible clearly states that adultery is wrong, but it slips under the radar of religious folk because it's something they can see themselves doing (or indeed, already do). In the minds of these people it's OK to fvck around on your wife, as long as it's with a woman. The bible is pretty clear that this isn't true, but we'll just ignore that little bit because it might affect us.

And even the Catholic church itself is guilty of this "bending the rules" bit. Catholic tradition clearly states that marriage is until death, but if you pay a church enough they will "unmarry" you so you can marry someone else. I know this as fact because my brother married a catholic woman. He had been married before, so the church wasn't going to allow him to marry her (in their eyes, since divorce doesn't exist, he was still married). All was not lost, though: After paying the church a princly sum he was "unmarried", so that he could pay the church another princly sum to get remarried.
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Reply #53
I'm gonna get a bazooka permit tomorrow.
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Reply #54
I honestly dont understand the construction of the second amendment.  The Placement of the comma's are usually pointers to a previous portion of the same statement in such a way that if the comma ere removed, the sentence could be shifted around while still keeping the same meaning.

I dont find this to be the case per below.  I cant shft any parts of the phrase and even construct a full sentence as by way of the rules of english.

However, If i leave it alone and simply read it with the vision of two groups of people "military" and "civilians", it make more sense.  It does remind me of a sentence that could have been writen better.  It seems to collectively state in my own words "we need an organized military and civilians with arms in times when the secuity of freedom is at risk" .    So if the people collectively conclude thier freedom is at risk, they themselves may be looking directly at the state as the enemy.  Its pretty simple to me.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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Reply #55
Quote from: V8Demon;243152
I'm gonna get a bazooka permit tomorrow.


:D and just what is a bazooka permit?  "an acutal bazooka permit?"

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Reply #56
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;243143
Using the same "It's my God-given right" logic that right wingers usually use, it should be perfectly OK for everyone to store a nuclear weapon under his bed, or to stockpile bilogical weapons. Nuclear arms are arms, right? And the second amendment does not specify the type of arms, right? A .410 shotgun is exactly the same as an M16 is exactly the same as a Glock is exactly the same as a Blackhawk helicopter. They're all arms, right? Obviously when that amendment was written, it was written in the sense that everyone should have a handgun in their vest, an assault gun strapped to their shin, and a nuclear bomb hidden in the closet. I'm sure that's what the forefathers meant.

This is exactly what I meant in that other recent thread, about how people pick and choose the parts of the constitution they want to hear. They want anything that they agree with to be interpreted as broadly as possible (we all know the original writers of the document did not have machine guns in mind, but since they didn't specifically mention anything against machine guns they must be OK, right???). Meanwhile they want everything they don't agree with to be interpreted as narrowly as possible (equal rights couldn't possibly be extend to gays, could it? Did the forefathers really want to protect those dirty homoshaguals?)

...And as I mentioned in that other thread, BOTH sides are guilty of this manipulation of the wording of the constitution. Just like each religion (and on a finer note, eact religious person) is guilty of picking the parts of the bible that suit them while ignoring the parts that condemn them. This is why we don't see "God hates Adulterers" signs protesting soldiers' funerals. The bible clearly states that adultery is wrong, but it slips under the radar of religious folk because it's something they can see themselves doing (or indeed, already do). In the minds of these people it's OK to fvck around on your wife, as long as it's with a woman. The bible is pretty clear that this isn't true, but we'll just ignore that little bit because it might affect us.

And even the Catholic church itself is guilty of this "bending the rules" bit. Catholic tradition clearly states that marriage is until death, but if you pay a church enough they will "unmarry" you so you can marry someone else. I know this as fact because my brother married a catholic woman. He had been married before, so the church wasn't going to allow him to marry her (in their eyes, since divorce doesn't exist, he was still married). All was not lost, though: After paying the church a princly sum he was "unmarried", so that he could pay the church another princly sum to get remarried.


WTF is your problem? You have a brain and think you can use it? Why oh why, would you do such a thing.  I think the fore fathers wrote all of those Broad and wide for a reason. That is so thing were way different than they had it. They are laying it out for us. They had been there and seen just how things can get when the those goverening you have all the rights and you have little to none. I look at the Bill of Rights and I think Yes these fore fathers were smart enough to think about me and all the rest of us. THANK YOU FORE FATHERS! Yeah that might mean that I see to guys walking hand in hand in public or even to chicks WOOOOOO!  But that same BILL OF RIGHTS covers them to. This country is about FREEDOM and your right to do it your way. Yeah I don't like to see to dudes together or people getting shot by a criminal but they have rights and so do we so every one needs to STFU and learn to get along and DEAL with it. Yeah  will happen people will get hurt and some may even die. But all those things will still happen with or without guns. IF you don't have a gun you'll get a knife or a sword, if you don't have one of those you'll get a rock or make a spear, and so on a so forth. SO the best bet is to LEARN TO GET ALONG! If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all! Yeah I remember mom always telling me that!
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Reply #57
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why'd you have to go there.  the thread was informative and educational.
this is how threads get locked.  foxthunderbirgougarforums has its own bill of rights within it.

nothing against you, nothing personal.

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Reply #58
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nuclear weapon under his bed, or to stockpile bilogical weapons. Nuclear arms are arms, right?
seriously?
in no way would a nuke ever be inturpreted as personal pertection. WOMD should not and certainly do not apply.
 
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And the second amendment does not specify the type of arms, right? A .410 shotgun is exactly the same as an M16 is exactly the same as a Glock is exactly the same as a Blackhawk helicopter.
sure, why not?
 
 
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This is exactly what I meant in that other recent thread, about how people pick and choose the parts of the constitution they want to hear. They want anything that they agree with to be interpreted as broadly as possible (we all know the original writers of the document did not have machine guns in mind, but since they didn't specifically mention anything against machine guns they must be OK, right???). Meanwhile they want everything they don't agree with to be interpreted as narrowly as possible (equal rights couldn't possibly be extend to gays, could it? Did the forefathers really want to protect those dirty homoshaguals?)
certainly we can all agree to assume that our forefathers had traditional firearms in mind. the machine gun, fully auto or otherwise was derived from such weapons within a natural evolutionary evolution. guns got better, but they are still guns. it starts and ends there.
 
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Just like each religion (and on a finer note, eact religious person) is guilty of picking the parts of the bible that suit them while ignoring the parts that condemn them. This is why we don't see "God hates Adulterers" signs protesting soldiers' funerals. The bible clearly states that adultery is wrong, but it slips under the radar of religious folk because it's something they can see themselves doing (or indeed, already do). In the minds of these people it's OK to fvck around on your wife, as long as it's with a woman. The bible is pretty clear that this isn't true, but we'll just ignore that little bit because it might affect us. And even the Catholic church itself is guilty of this "bending the rules" bit. Catholic tradition clearly states that marriage is until death, but if you pay a church enough they will "unmarry" you so you can marry someone else. I know this as fact because my brother married a catholic woman. He had been married before, so the church wasn't going to allow him to marry her (in their eyes, since divorce doesn't exist, he was still married). All was not lost, though: After paying the church a princly sum he was "unmarried", so that he could pay the church another princly sum to get remarried.
religion and the bible, hypocracy etc. has nothing to do with the issue at all. the law governs us, my rights are directly affected by them, not religon or the bible. religion is not as concrete as the documents that were established for our country.
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Reply #59
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religion is not as concrete as the documents that were established for our country.



Then why is it such a big issue with politicians when it comes time for us to vote?  ;)

Religion has it's hand in the government cookie jar for much longer than Europeans were aware that the Western Hemishpere even existed.


Gun Laws
Abortion

2 subjects that religious groups pay attention to VERY closely in the political arena.
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