new gun ban Reply #15 – November 11, 2008, 04:38:03 PM Quote from: Thunder Chicken;242583 Show it to me in mainstream news (even Fox "news" would be more credible) and maybe I'll start believing.You really listen to FOX NEWS that has got to be one of the most bought off News places in the nation. Fox would tell you anything they were told them to tell you. No Thanks I'll find my own sources for the news! Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #16 – November 11, 2008, 04:40:36 PM Quote from: LumpyCheeseman;242589they can ban all they want....they cant take from me what they dont know i have....build your own...its possible.Yeah you can you don't need any background check and you can even be a convicted felon! Parts are parts and anyone can buy parts. Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #17 – November 11, 2008, 04:43:28 PM You may take my guns, but you'll never take my... Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #18 – November 11, 2008, 05:38:23 PM what about mounted turret 50 cal gun? dont ask me why the guy has it mounted in his atick.. i guess you could blow a hole through the roof if he needed to. lol i know plenty of people with unregistered guns, they're out there and they dont have tracking beacons in them. but what me off is this means i couldnt carry my "semi-automic pistol" to places i might need them. Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #19 – November 11, 2008, 07:14:38 PM Quote from: ipsd;242592You really listen to FOX NEWS that has got to be one of the most bought off News places in the nation. Fox would tell you anything they were told them to tell you. No Thanks I'll find my own sources for the news!No, I don't listen to Faux News. That's why I had "News" in quotation marks. My point was that even it would be a more reliable source of info than that website... Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #20 – November 11, 2008, 07:38:36 PM Quote from: LumpyCheeseman;242589they can ban all they want....they cant take from me what they dont know i have....build your own...its possible.:D Oh really,,,,, never know who's got what in thier shirt pocket.Barrel screws on after single round installed.spring loaded center fire. Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #21 – November 11, 2008, 09:34:08 PM WOW i cant say i saw that coming......... I think you have too much time on your hands jcassity..lol.. and i hope that one shot takes them out.. reload time prolly kills.....j]k Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #22 – November 11, 2008, 09:56:32 PM nope,, came standard issue 1 ea in my flight suit. "consumable",, its not a gun ,,,,,,but it is. Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #23 – November 12, 2008, 12:04:25 AM QuoteShow it to me in mainstream news (even Fox "news" would be more credible) and maybe I'll start believing. you do have to consider the news sources. maybe a nut job like me belives that mainstream suppressed negatives about obama as much as possible. a nut job like me may also belive that its the mainstream media that got obama elected. anyway, i live in the state with the strictest gun laws. it constantly a defensive battle on the gun owners front. "the man" wants to take, take take and control fire arms despite its revalance to the constitution. its constantly being talked about here and its without any doubt in my mind that its "on the agenda". freedom of speach and the right to beare arms are both on the chopping block. you certainly cant put it past them. Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #24 – November 12, 2008, 12:11:43 AM as a test, since i have to run out tomorrow I will go to the court house and apply for a concealed weapons permit or whatever. Lets see what friction i get and I will report back. Hell, Ill even bring my own recent background check.On a totally unrelated note, it appears that there is this rush rush mission to undertake some very agressive bail outs "while bush is still in office".,, if you can just fathom my drift. ie- point the blamb later on.oh well ,, I dont cling to my guns or my religion. I just cling foundation of this nation. All i know is if Obama has not realized it by now, if he does us all wrong, that record breaking number of voters is gonna be really pissed in record breaking pissed offness. Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #25 – November 12, 2008, 01:29:03 AM Didn't Wyatt Earp make everybody leave their guns at the sheriff's office when they rode into Dodge? or was it Tombstone ? Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #26 – November 12, 2008, 06:29:23 AM Quote from: softtouch;242666Didn't Wyatt Earp make everybody leave their guns at the sheriff's office when they rode into Dodge? or was it Tombstone ?Sam Steele did the same thing during the Gold Rush into the Yukon. If you wanted to pan Gold in the Yukon, you had to hand over your guns, and a good portion of those gold seekers were from the US. I bet that law was a favourite. :hick:Personally, I think concealed guns are a huge part of the problem the US has with gun crimes. That's not to say there aren't responsible gun owners who are going to get shafted by laws like these (if there's any truth to this in the first place), but I'm willing to wager that these people are rare, compared to the irresponsible gun owner. Besides, you can't argue with numbers. Countries with bans on assault rifles and concealed weapons have drastically lower rates of gun crimes.Flame on. Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #27 – November 12, 2008, 05:09:54 PM Quote from: oldraven;242673Flame on.i dont see the fantastic 4 anywhere.... Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #28 – November 12, 2008, 06:16:26 PM QuotePersonally, I think concealed guns are a huge part of the problem the US has with gun crimes. That's not to say there aren't responsible gun owners who are going to get shafted by laws like these (if there's any truth to this in the first place), but I'm willing to wager that these people are rare, compared to the irresponsible gun owner. Besides, you can't argue with numbers. Countries with bans on assault rifles and concealed weapons have drastically lower rates of gun crimes. ~sigh~ QuotePersonally, I think concealed guns are a huge part of the problem the US has with gun crimes. based on what? are you kidding me? like leagal or otherwse concealed carry has ANY bearing on crime itself. QuoteThat's not to say there aren't responsible gun owners who are going to get shafted by laws like these (if there's any truth to this in the first place), but I'm willing to wager that these people are rare, compared to the irresponsible gun owner. Its the responsible ones who lose out, every time. in just about any given situation its the single or handfull of dousche bags that spoil it for the rest of us so to speak. if you think there are more responsible gun owners out there than "irresponsible" ones you seriously under estimate this. QuoteBesides, you can't argue with numbers. Countries with bans on assault rifles and concealed weapons have drastically lower rates of gun crimes. what countries? Quote Selected
new gun ban Reply #29 – November 12, 2008, 07:20:17 PM oldravenyou got that backwards,, legal guns reduce crime. I dont even have to post stats to prove that.So my mission today was to learn a thing or two and i came to the following conclusion==Our govt forces us to use a """FIRE ARM"""" if we so chose to seek a tool of protection.I read my WV law today and got copies of rules on concealed weapons and what is considered a consealed weapon.A knife is defined in just about any way imaginable to include the descriptor "stiletto".My mission was to find out how does a man get a permit to carry a knife that exceeds the legal 3 1/2'' in thier pocket and not get charged with a consealed weapons charge. IT was also my mission to get a permit to carry such a knife instead of a fire arm. A knife is much less evasive but is some degree of protection.I was told that there is no permit for such a thing and was given copies of the law refering to any other object longer than 3 1/2 '' being carried with the intent of harm used for protection is illegal.So I told the Deputy ,,"so what you are saying is in order to have any form of protection on me,, IT MUST BE A FIRE ARM" His response,, "yes, you are correct".He went on to say that you can carry a cutting object on your person as long as its intended use is for what it is you are doing,,ie-work, hunting, fishing or recreation. These objects are not called Knives nor classified under a knife catagory as long as you are using them for thier intent.A hunting knife on your belt in its sheath is considered a consealed weapon depending on "the lack of common sense" or common sense of the deputy.so again, I said, but to be legal and carry a knife exceeding 3 1/2'' for protection, there is no such legal way to do this so I "must use a gun under my consealed weapons permit"officers (two of them now) say , yes , you are correct.I tell them,,, Can I use wooden arrows?they both busted up laughing like they knew what pork was in the 700dollar bail out package.One of them told me on the way out,, "hey, get a bow and some of those wooden arrows, you might just scare everyone in Chicogo next time",,:D SO, there you have it,,, I can not protect myself with anything other than a gun without suffering the penalty myself. Quote Selected
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