It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 September 16, 2008, 09:45:17 AM Ok over my last couple of days of I took Da Bird out testing and tuning! everything was going good. Then it seemed like if I hit Upper RPM it would just fall flat. So I pulled over made sure the Dizzy wasn't loose or something funny under the hood and all was good. So I took off towards home and I guess stepped on it more than I thought because I took off like crazy! I was thinkin YES that is it. slaped it in 2nd got on it a hair and wanted to rip so I just headed for the house for a good once over before anything serious rodding. Then the motor just shut off. The whole car was on the motor wasn't running. Tried to roll start it in 3rd and just slowed me down. Pushed in the clutch and hit the starter. Motor spinin but not starting. Coast home and push her the last 20-30 feet. I'm thinkin the TFI so I put on my spare that I know is good and still cranking but not starting. I did notice the tac wasn't jumping during cranking so I took and warrantied the Dizzy and got a new one thinking PIck up coil. Slid the new dizzy in and hooked it all up and still motor spining but not starting dizzy is jumping. I need to get a timing light to set it once I'm up and running. Even with the Pil pulled and moving the Dizzy cant get it running and YES the fuel pumps are running! Yes there is good gas in the tank! anyone have any ideas? Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #1 – September 16, 2008, 05:25:57 PM Check your Timing (Cam) You may have jumped a tooth.Check for spark at the coil. You may not be getting spark. Pulled codes yet? Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #2 – September 17, 2008, 12:33:17 PM Well I guess you didn't lose the dist/AUX gear since you pulled the distributor out of the car. You did examine the AUX gear, right?You didn't lose the timing belt or tensioner did you? Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #3 – September 17, 2008, 04:20:17 PM The Aux gear is fine and the belt is still on there. I inspected that Dizzy closely and no signs of wear or slipage. I can see the belt it looks tight through the plastic cover hole. Seems tight with finger pressure. did some searching over at turbo ford someone posted that it might be the ignition switch gonna do some trouble shooting but never know Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #4 – September 18, 2008, 12:37:21 AM spark is easy enough to check, start there with one of your plug wires off to gnd or with a spark checker.fuel is easy enough to check,, push the pin on the shrader valve and see if you get rained on.timing is easy enough to check with your crank on TDC, see if the cam is in the correct spot. Next check that the rotor button is also in the correct spot.Check in the dizzy on the stator for metal debris on the magnet.next, pull codes. Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #5 – September 23, 2008, 09:25:40 AM Ok did some more research into this. I found that I do have spark. The only problem is it seems I only have spark when I 1st hit the key and when I stop cranking but not during cranking! So I'm thinking Ignition switch. Need to pull the column cover and do some testing. Anyone Know of anything else that would cause this type of situation? Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #6 – September 23, 2008, 02:41:41 PM Quote from: ipsd;237017Ok did some more research into this. I found that I do have spark. The only problem is it seems I only have spark when I 1st hit the key and when I stop cranking but not during cranking! So I'm thinking Ignition switch. Need to pull the column cover and do some testing. Anyone Know of anything else that would cause this type of situation?A different contact in the ignition switch makes the coil hot in start. So it could be the ignition switch.To check it out:Pull the small red wire off the start relay. This will stop the engine from cranking. Put your volt meter on the W/LB wire on the BATT side of the coil. It should be hot in both start and run. Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #7 – September 24, 2008, 11:08:07 PM I haven't had time to check that yet But thanks for the input. I'll check that before I install the new ignition switch. I also remember when I installed one about 2yrs ago the plug wasn't the greatest so I picked up a new Pigtail for it! Borg Warner part number PT5534. Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #8 – September 25, 2008, 06:27:38 PM Mine had done the exact same thing. I could actually hold the key in the run position and keep it going but if I released it fully it shut off. I replaced the ignition switch with one from Ford and it cured it for a bit. On mine I finally found the neg batt cable was coming loose from the terminal(it was the original). I replaced it nearly 3 years ago and have been fine ever since. Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #9 – September 26, 2008, 10:58:34 PM Did some more digging tonight. Found that I only had spark for the 1st few cranks of the motor. And yes the coil is hot in both start and run. Did some more checking couldn't find anything. I tried the new ignition switch. Didn't install it on the column but plugged it in and operated it with a flat blade. That wasn't it Then I thought well I'd slip my Tested Good Motorcraft TFI back in! Sparky sparky and more sparky. Put the coil wire back on the dizzy hit the key and VROOM! So I guess my spare TFI is toast. Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #10 – October 08, 2008, 11:21:49 AM Guess its not fixed! I took her out the other day. made it about 1mile from the house and she stopped again! I called the wife and had here come to the rescue with the jeep and a tow strap. Brought her home and couldn't find the problem. Still only have spark when I first hit the key and when I let off. I have 4 days of this coming weekend and plan on getting this worked out. any help would be appreciated! Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #11 – October 08, 2008, 03:43:06 PM Do you have spark while cranking? Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #12 – October 08, 2008, 04:28:38 PM have that tfi tested if its fried then your gonna have to find out why it fried. but since that was the culprate the first time id be leary of it doing it again. Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #13 – October 08, 2008, 04:55:02 PM Try unplugging the SPOUT. This will get the EEC out of the picture.It does sound like a TFI/Distributor emitter problem. Quote Selected
It just died! FIXED Updated 7/28/2010 Reply #14 – August 03, 2009, 01:27:41 AM Back it on this one. Got back on it in the last few weeks. The car starts cold then get to norm temp then within a few min dies. I did some double checking on everything. These are good: PIP, TFI, Coil, TPS, Fuel Pumps, Injectors, Knock sensor, Vam, ACT inside Vam, BAP, Alt, Plugs, Wires, Cap, Rotor. So I did lots of searching over at turbo ford. Found some info pointing to the ECT, or my Remote TFI setup. So I got to checking. Went a checked my TFI setup first seeing how that could directly effect spark. So I removed the battery and dug in. Unwrapped my covering along with the factory JUNK. Wow the py insulation had come off in many places and had BARE wires everywhere. Got all the wiring from the main car connection and wires from the wiper motor area to front end gone over fixing anything that was any where near a question. Hooked everything back up she was running GREAT even better than before. Just went to unhook IAC and Cough cough DEAD. Never even got the IAC unhooked. So. I go to crank her up just in case and I only get one tach jump each time I try to start her up. So once again I know I have no spark. So at this point I'm thinking there is probably some other wires that aren't in such good shape like I found before. So I ripped the battery back out of the car along with battery tray. From there I just started gutting all the factory Tape type . Thinking since I have to dig into this now is the time to get the wiring in order clean it all up and make it so it looks good and not the WIRES EVERYWHERE theme that I already have. Trust me it isn't fun but in the long run it will be more than worth it. Here are some pics of the progress. Right now wires are not my friend but by the time I'm done they will be. Found many more missing insulation locations. Along with fixing those I took some degreaser and some wash cloths and scrubbed each wire. Inspecting them and getting them nice and clean. Since I'm up to all that sorting and running them in a nicer visual fashion is in order. I did find one of the wires going to the ECT was broken. Hoping that is my issue on why it keeps dying. Updates soon. Stuclman Quote Selected
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