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gt-40 (p?) heads...

I found a 1997 Mercury Mountaineer with a 5.0 at the junkyard, and I'm pretty sure that it's got gt-40 or gt-40p heads. Is there a way to tell which ones by the VIN? It's 4M2DU52P9VUJ52088. Also, 100 bucks per head sounds fair, right? Any other good parts I should get from it? Thanks.
:cougarsmily:5.0 HO, E303 cam, Exploder/Cobra intake, smog pump delete, Ford Taurus electric fan, MAF conversion, BBK headers, MAC 2.5" off-road exhaust w/x-pipe, AOD w/shift kit, 8.8 Trac-Loc rear w/disc brakes, 5-lug conversion w/'98 Mustang GT 17" wheels, Mach 1 springs:cougarsmily:

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Reply #1
Offer $100 for the pair.  Fox headers are a real pain with the P heads. One side hits the engine mount.  Intake Manifolds flow almost as much as the Cobras.  Cam is not as good.  MAF is good, throttle

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Reply #2
$100 per head is a fair price...they typically go for $175-$250.  I'm 99.9% sure they are the "P" heads, but to be certain look on the passenger side cylinder head between the #1 spark plug and the head bolt towards the front of the vehicle..."P" heads will have a "GTP" cast in that location.  Whereas the iron GT-40's will simply have a "GT" cast diagonally in that location.  If they are high-mileage or you have to pull'em yourself, I would try to negotiate down to $150...but $200 for the pair is fair if they don't want to budge.

Good luck,
Don
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

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Reply #3
97 should be the non P head.  P heads came about with the new style lift gate and grill design.  Grab the heads, intake, t/b and swap away.  Ford Motor Sports headers for P heads in a fox are about $250, and they are stainless.  Not a bad price at all.
One 88

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Reply #4
coolness. i can't wait to get my 88 cat road-worthy again. i is soooo excited! -pees self-
:cougarsmily:5.0 HO, E303 cam, Exploder/Cobra intake, smog pump delete, Ford Taurus electric fan, MAF conversion, BBK headers, MAC 2.5" off-road exhaust w/x-pipe, AOD w/shift kit, 8.8 Trac-Loc rear w/disc brakes, 5-lug conversion w/'98 Mustang GT 17" wheels, Mach 1 springs:cougarsmily:

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Reply #5
If it's a GT40P head then yes you need the FMS stainless headers. They are nice but they do hit the driver's side mount. I had to put a slight ding in one of the header tubes and grind down the top of the mount a bit. I'm running GT40P heads and I like 'em.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #6
Quote from: CougarSE;208176
97 should be the non P head.  P heads came about with the new style lift gate and grill design.  Grab the heads, intake, t/b and swap away.  Ford Motor Sports headers for P heads in a fox are about $250, and they are stainless.  Not a bad price at all.


'97 was the first year for the "P" heads...some very early production model '97's may have slipped through with the cobra style GT-40's though.
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

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Reply #7
That subject is still in high debate.  There is no definitive answer that I have found.

I pulled non P heads off of a 97 Mountaineer and IIRC I checked the door tag and the truck was built in 97 not 96.  There were no 96 Mountaineer's, it was a 97... And it had Non P heads. 

They may look similar but the 97 and 98 Explorers and Mountaineers have many differences.  Front end, liftgate, radio style and harness, hell even the sway bar is attached differently on a 98 than a 97.  From what I've read, and not from Mustang guys on Mustang forums ;) is the P heads may be on 97 models with a late 97 build date.

Can you spot a GT40 engine over a GT40P engine just by popping the hood?  I can.  You don't have to look at the heads.
One 88

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Reply #8
Quote from: CougarSE;208327


Can you spot a GT40 engine over a GT40P engine just by popping the hood?  I can.  You don't have to look at the heads.


I can. A GT40P engine has an external EGR passage while the GT40 engine has internal.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #9
Quote from: thunderjet302;208188
If it's a GT40P head then yes you need the FMS stainless headers. They are nice but they do hit the driver's side mount. I had to put a slight ding in one of the header tubes and grind down the top of the mount a bit. I'm running GT40P heads and I like 'em.

You don't NEED the FMS headers. BBK and Mac shorties work if you use 90* spark plug boots.
It's Gumby's fault.

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Reply #10
Quote from: Tbird232ci;208519
You don't NEED the FMS headers. BBK and Mac shorties work if you use 90* spark plug boots.


No conflict with the driver's side mount with the BBK and Mac?  Do any of these three have more clearance around the mount than the others?

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Reply #11
Quote from: CougarSE;208327
That subject is still in high debate.  There is no definitive answer that I have found.

I pulled non P heads off of a 97 Mountaineer and IIRC I checked the door tag and the truck was built in 97 not 96.  There were no 96 Mountaineer's, it was a 97... And it had Non P heads. 

They may look similar but the 97 and 98 Explorers and Mountaineers have many differences.  Front end, liftgate, radio style and harness, hell even the sway bar is attached differently on a 98 than a 97.  From what I've read, and not from Mustang guys on Mustang forums ;) is the P heads may be on 97 models with a late 97 build date.

Can you spot a GT40 engine over a GT40P engine just by popping the hood?  I can.  You don't have to look at the heads.


I suppose there is no difinitive answer as to when they switched to the "P" heads.  I pulled a set of "P" heads from a '97 Exploder...seems like they were all over the place in '97.  I thought, for certain, that '97 was the year they changed over to the "P" heads...guess I was wrong.
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

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Reply #12
No problem with the MM and my 1 5/8" shortie BBKs... One tube did slightly rub the steering shaft on hard right turns, but that problem seems to have fixed itself...

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Reply #13
Quote from: Sick88Tbird;208669
I suppose there is no difinitive answer as to when they switched to the "P" heads.  I pulled a set of "P" heads from a '97 Exploder...seems like they were all over the place in '97.  I thought, for certain, that '97 was the year they changed over to the "P" heads...guess I was wrong.

I was reading last night that they switched to the P heads for lower emissions.  They reconfigured the combustion chamber and moved the plugs, reconfigured the exhaust port to flow just as much with a smaller valve.

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Reply #14
Quote from: Tbird232ci;208519
You don't NEED the FMS headers. BBK and Mac shorties work if you use 90* spark plug boots.


I thought they hit the engine mounts. Oh well I learned something new. The FMS ones will allow you to use the 135* (stock style) boots though.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.