the wife and i went to the royals game last night... September 18, 2007, 08:52:23 AM and watched the white sox put a hurtin on them! we had GREAT seats though... dugout box, row E. Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #1 – September 18, 2007, 09:49:18 AM They still play baseball? Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #2 – September 18, 2007, 10:15:18 AM unfortunately. this was the first game i've been to since i moved up here, and now i know exactly why the are such a bad team. they play like little leaguers. it really was sad. Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #3 – September 18, 2007, 10:51:20 AM No, I meant baseball at all. I'm surprised there's people actually at a game, let alone awake. Come to think of it, everybody in that 2nd pic looks dead asleep. Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #4 – September 18, 2007, 11:11:36 AM there were quite a lot of people there. what makes you think that baseball is a dead sport? Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #5 – September 18, 2007, 11:27:28 AM baseball is I think the second most popular sport in the world behind soccer. Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #6 – September 18, 2007, 11:53:41 AM This hasn't been a particularly spectacular year in baseball, even though a lot of records have been broken or set. But this is always the most exciting time of the baseball season, when teams scramble for the wild card spots...and teams like the Royals can play 'spoiler' to those contenders. Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #7 – September 18, 2007, 11:59:30 AM According to ESPN and SI:US - Football (NFL)BasketballBaseballNCAA FootballNCAA BasketballNASCARHockeySoccerWorldwide:Football (Soccer)Football (US style)BasketballBaseballHockeyNASCAROfficial sports gear sales #s report that NBA alone sells more then MLB, NCAA (both), and Hockey combined. NFL sells more then NBA. NCAA Football sales are within 2-3% of MLB.Baseball has been in decline since the early 90's with the strikes. The Marinators (or whatever the heck they're called) have Ichiro and won all those games and still couldn't sell out an old butt stadium. Professional baseball has been dying for a long time. The steroid scandal might just put it under for good. Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #8 – September 18, 2007, 01:42:32 PM take a look at this site and tell me that mlb ticket sales are down.http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance?sort=home_avg&year=2007&seasonType=2 Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #9 – September 18, 2007, 02:36:15 PM Would love to visit that stadium just once. Always liked the looks of it since I was a kid....... a long time ago Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #10 – September 18, 2007, 02:40:36 PM i was impressed with the field... it's done very nicely. Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #11 – September 18, 2007, 03:44:06 PM Quote from: turboranger91;177045take a look at this site and tell me that mlb ticket sales are down.http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance?sort=home_avg&year=2007&seasonType=2OK. In 06 only 1 team sold out at home, next highest was 95%. The best average overall was 87%. Most teams are in the 60-70% sell range. That's horrible. Find an empty seat in the late 80's. Or in Daytona, or Indy (NHRA), or Seattle (NFL). You can't.Look at the NFL attendance for 2006.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?year=2006See how many teams are over 100%? (That means boxes sold too) There's not a SINGLE team with an overall sell of LESS then 90%. Yeah overall # of attendance isn't as high, but there's only 16 NFL games for each team vs like what 200? MLB games. The top attendance record (#s, not %) for MLB overall hasn't been broken since 1993 (pre-strike). In fact it was set in 78, then broken each year of 90, 91, 92, and 93 and hasn't been touched in the 14 years since. And how many stadiums got rebuilt or new with more seating?Heck the World Series attendance record hasn't been broken since 1959! Come on man. Baseball has been dying since 1994 and it's days are numbered before it becomes either another "minor" sport, or a new organization takes over (likely). Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #12 – September 18, 2007, 04:11:29 PM Baseball will always have issues, Mike. But in the overall picture it's actually quite healthy, maybe not as much as in its heydey, but still relevant. Besides, every sport has ebbs and flows. A 162-game season is very, very long and grueling, not just for the players but for the fans. When a team isn't doing very well, they're bound to lose fans at the stadium. Hell, nobody knows that better than Cleveland Indians fans LOL.There's actually a good example: they sold out 455 consecutive home games from 1995 through 2001. That's an Indians record, not sure about MLB records, but still...that's a LOT of games. Tickets were very hard to get; my family averaged 1 or 2 games a year max. And you had to know someone to even get tickets. Jacobs Field, the home stadium, opened in 1994 right before the strike. So essentially for the first 7 years of the stadium's existence it completely sold out of seats. Was the team doing good? Oh hell yeah, multiple AL titles, a trip to the World Series, several outstanding players. I remember them beating up on the Mariners a few times. But then all the good players got traded or left, and it was in with all these new young players, and attendance dropped off significantly. It was a good run while it lasted. All things end, though.This is just one team...multiply that by 30.You also have to remember that the Major League Baseball Players Association is the largest professional sports union in the U.S. They wield a LOT of clout. Because of their insistence upon free agency and resistance to salary caps (even though they exist), smaller market teams cannot afford better talent. The large market teams (New York, Boston, Chicago, etc.) always get first pick because they can afford them. Fans, they don't forget that. Remember the Subway Series a few years ago, Mets vs. Yankees? High ratings for that one...in New York. Rest of the country, didn't care as much. You can only see that happen so many times before changing the channel.But true baseball fans realize that no matter who is playing, it's still a ballgame on TV, and any time of year where that happens is always a good time of year. Another thing: baseball expanded teams because the markets could bear them. That's why Washington, D.C. just got the Nationals a few years ago. Stadiums are planned so that they can sustain themselves even with half capacity. There are probably too many teams right now. Yet you have to look at things like up-and-coming talent. The biggest surge in potential players is coming from the Dominican Republic, Cuba and Venezuela. In those countries it is a national honor to play pro baseball. In fact, they play baseball all year long because of the weather. So as long as they are passionate about playing and coming to the U.S. for an opportunity, there will always be enough players to fill a team. Getting people to fill the stands...that's always going to depend on how good the players are. Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #13 – September 18, 2007, 04:20:03 PM that about sums it up. Quote Selected
the wife and i went to the royals game last night... Reply #14 – September 18, 2007, 04:44:24 PM You can't go by attendance alone, B-ball plays about everyday,versus once a week for F-ball.Thats a lot of games. Quote Selected
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