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A visit from the engine fairy...

So I came home today and find a 351W sitting beside my garage, flywheel side down, the water pump pointing to the sky. It appears that the old guy that has the s metal lot where I was keeping the van until I could get around to taking the engine out, took the engine out. He's got somebody coming over to buy a bunch of s and figured the hulk of a long wheelbase E-350 would tip the scales a bit in his favour, so he rolled it onto its side, cut the engine/tranny/rear out, and smushed the body up with his front end loader. The only things salvaged were the full floating rear end, engine, tranny, radiator (was brand new), and one door he saved to try to sell. He actually saved the engine and tranny for me, but I had no use for an E4OD (bloody ENORMOUS transmission, and it had 400,000 km on it) so I told him he could have it for s. All I wanted was the engine and leaf springs (if I buy a Ford truck it'll get the springs). My brother wants the rad, as he had just bought it and can use it in his newer E250.

Questions begin now:
  • Orange top injectors. What are they?
  • Truck-style lower intake. Will anything decent bolt to it, or should I just give it to the s guy along with the upper?
  • Will T-Bird 5.0 front accessories and brackets bolt to this engine? I think I had heard I'd need Mustang stuff, but not sure
  • 351 Crown Vic oil pan - is it the right one for a Fox? I know the van pan certainly wouldn't fit...
  • Is there any way to make that oil cooler work in a Fox? Looks to me like it would interfere with the steering rack where it's at.
And now the pics. It ain't pretty, by any stretch, but it will be eventually. I have to go back to the guy's place to get the tranny to engine bolts, so I can put the thing on my engine stand and work on it:
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #1 –
i wish i had an engine fairy
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1974 maverick lsx powered turbo car SOLD
1973 maverick Tijuana Taxi Tribute
1957 chevy LSX Turbo project (race car)
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Reply #2 –
lol dont we all!
RIP 1988 and 1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
I welcomed the dark side and currently am driving a 2000 Dodge Durango SLT plus, with a 5.9, Code named project "Night Runner"
Shes black on black, fully loaded, with headers, 180 tstat, e fan, straight exhaust into a cherry bomb vortex ler, full tune up, ported intake and T/B, MSD coil, and round aircleaner.
Mods to come: Fully rebuilt and heavily modded 46RE, and a richmond rachet locker.
my $300 beater ;)
R.I.P Kayleigh Raposa 12/18/90 - 2/24/07

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Reply #3 –
Orange tops are 19lbers

Truck injected lower is a good intake,holley systemax should bolt to it,if not sell it on ebay as a 351 injected lower(should be desirable).

Bird/coug acc won't bolt up as the block is taller than a 302,mustang acc are the same as a bird/coug.

Pretty sure your right on the crown vic pan,although i can't see why the 5.0L one won't work.

Pretty sure the cooler won't work,omly way would be to test fit it.

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Reply #4 –
i think only a few of the brackets wont work check jegs they sell a sawp kit? with brackets i guess those are the ones that wont fit
trick flow street heat intake , 24lbs injetors, ported GT-40's (Chip) long tube headers. and a Performance Automatic C4, with a hurst shifter!

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Reply #5 –
Quote from: dominator;148007
Orange tops are 19lbers

Truck injected lower is a good intake,holley systemax should bolt to it,if not sell it on ebay as a 351 injected lower(should be desirable).

Bird/coug acc won't bolt up as the block is taller than a 302,mustang acc are the same as a bird/coug.

Pretty sure your right on the crown vic pan,although i can't see why the 5.0L one won't work.

Pretty sure the cooler won't work,omly way would be to test fit it.


the 351w lower efi intake is a weird oval port design. you're thinking of the 302 truck lower manifold. the alt bracket will bolt up, since it just bolts to the head. i know the 302 ac compressor/power steering bracket wont work, as it bolts to the head and water pump studs. the oilpan should work, and will not fit a 302, as a 351w is wider at the pan rails.
1979 Ford Fairmont
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5.0L/4R70W/8.8"/5-lug/3" Exhuast

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Reply #6 –
I know the 5.0 pan won't work because the 302 is different on bottom than a 351 (I think the 351 is wider). You sure a Holley Systemax intake would work on this lower? That alone could make the difference between going carbed and going EFI...

As for the accessory brackets, I was sure I'd read somewhere that Fox Mustang P.S. and A/C bracketry would be required - surely there must be something that I can bolt on to use a serpentine belt setup. I don't think that 351 van setup would fit in the car
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #7 –
IIRC the 351 efi lower has different ports than a 302 truck lower. Performance EFI 351 intakes are $$$. I'd just get a 4bbl and have some fun:D


Oh is it a roller 351?
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #8 –
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;148015
You sure a Holley Systemax intake would work on this lower? That alone could make the difference between going carbed and going EFI...


its nowhere near the same. the ports are oval compared to 'holley's retangular'ish ports.
1979 Ford Fairmont
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5.0L/4R70W/8.8"/5-lug/3" Exhuast

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Reply #9 –
Quote from: thunderjet302;148016
IIRC the 351 efi lower has different ports than a 302 truck lower. Performance EFI 351 intakes are $$$. I'd just get a 4bbl and have some fun:D


Oh is it a roller 351?

That's pretty much the plan, I think: Alloy heads, dual plane intake, 600-750 carb, and a cam that'll work with it all. Seems like a pretty cheap path to ~350-400 horses. This largely depends on the condition the engine is in when I take it apart, too - if it needs a crank and pistons it'll be a 393 stroker.

It should be a roller - it's out of a '94, but I won't know for sure until it comes apart.
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #10 –
check the casting number above the starter. if it starts with "F4.....", its a roller block.
1979 Ford Fairmont
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5.0L/4R70W/8.8"/5-lug/3" Exhuast

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Reply #11 –
Will do tomorrow (crosses fingers)
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #12 –
Ford Racing makes an accessory swap bracket.  Here's a link.
1988 Thunderbird Sport (1st car)
351W in the works
"I'll get it one piece at a time...":D

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Reply #13 –
It's not that the oil pan wont fit because of the width, it is because of the difference in main bearing cap diameters.

Thats exactly what my motor looked like til I cleaned it up and painted it  I didn't bother wasting paint on the stuff that is getting replaced though: