88dodge daytona 2.2turbo May 04, 2007, 01:29:46 AM 88 dodge daytona 2.2 turbocar was obtained by a fellow here non runningno one has ever heard the car run in 8 yearsSOLUTION<<<<<<<< "lets bring it to scott"car arrives in my stinking garage with a """SPARE HEAD/INTAKE/EXHAST MANIFOLD all bolted togetherSymptomsThis engine is not the original according to rumorWhomever swapped in this motor did a very fine quality job as all the wiring and dressing of harnesses ect was dont with detail in mind. Its almost like its virgin under the hood.I have yet to see this exact engine in any jy after looking at about 20 like it.this engine also does not appear in the NEWYORKER, LA BARON, the inake size is what is different.car will crank, has spark, injectors pulse by means of the "blink test"fuel may or may not be getting to the cylinders due to gummed up injectors but, i added fuel to each cyl and sprayed ether during cranking and still not a sign of startcompression test yielded 155/95/90/135changed headgasket and noted piston 3 was pitted cylinders looked glazed and heat marks at the 90deg rod angle areachanged headgasket and torqued in three stages to reach a holly shiznit number of 90 foot pounds per the local dealer specscompression numbers are now 135/69/70/115 probably cause the headgasket isnt sealed perfectly yet, but more likely this head is .we installed the timing belt but had to dig up the info on how that is done,,REASON FOR THIS THREAD,,,,CARMEN:D you said,,,,,,,in the fuel pump threadQuote from: Thunder Chicken;144061. Newer cars with returnless fuel systems use pulse-width-modulation to vary pump speed (but the voltage stays the same)....our spare head has no return fuel line but it is identical to the one on the engine now.the spare head is junk as i saw the head was cracked in between each I/E valve.The head on the car has different color injectors and has a return line. I agree with you that some newer cars have no return fuel line, thanks for explaining that although im confussed on the years / span of its application. I noticed my mother in-laws 96 kia sophia has a return line but the 97 and up has none.To date we have spark, we believe the timing is correct and even if you spray fuel into the air tube, the car does not even show a sign of starting.we know the fuel presure is low,,(26 psi) but, to atleast get her to hit a little, adding fuel to the trottle body should have atleast yeilded a momentary start.The TPS has about 8vdc on one wire with key on, another wire is ground and the other wire varies in voltage as i actuate the trottle body. Injectors Blink Test,, fuel pump is operating , this tells me the computer is on line.Injector impedance on the "spare head is 2.2ohmsInjector impedance on the injectors in the car is 2.2ohmsinjector colors on the spare head is different than whats in the carthe dizzy has a hull effect system like our cars but has two magnetic pickups instead of one. The magnets are free of debris.We have not yet perfromed a leak down test on each cylinder.,, this i need to do for sure.Perhaps this might come down to the PWM vs return fuel line system.timing belt install like this,,,,,,,crank pully had to be removed to see the little dot crank little dot pointed directly to the balance shaft little dot (2 o'clock / 8 o'clock respectively)balance shaft had to be dialed in to drive the dzzy gear and get the rotor pointing to number 1 plug wireCam gear points directly up using an oval hole machined into the gear.came gear was locked down with a piece of wedge shaped wood between the gear and the headbelt installed and it appeared that the rotor button, crank, piston, rockers and cam all agreed for cyl one to be TDC.any thoughts>?my thoughts are compression related or the lack there of. It should atleast hit a little bit.My butt is officially kicked on this one. The car is owned by a friend of mine and im not getting paid or anything. I only work on it when he is around so he can learn this and that as we go along. im just stuck,, not sure which way to go other than scream "GIMMIE MY GARAGE BACK!!!!" Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #1 – May 04, 2007, 09:43:32 AM Look at the Plymouth Sundance or Dodge Shadow, those should have the same engine. Also, while I might be wrong, I don't remember the 2.2 getting a turbo, the 2.5 yes, but not the 2.2. Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #2 – May 04, 2007, 11:02:41 AM Quote from: nirvanagod;144699Also, while I might be wrong, I don't remember the 2.2 getting a turbo, the 2.5 yes, but not the 2.2.Pretty sure I've seen some 2.2 turbos....but i AM sure that only 2.5 engines had the efi...well, technically a "cfi" type...one throotle body on the intake..every 2.2 i've ever seen was a carb. Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #3 – May 04, 2007, 01:51:30 PM The original fuel delivery system in the car is internally regulated - there's a simple mechanical valve in the in-tank pump that dumps fuel as the pressure gets too high (kinda like the oil pressure relief valve in the timing cover of your 3.. The pump should always receive 12 volts, as long as the distributor is putting out a signal. Since the car is not even trying to start when you give it a shot of gas in the TB, the fuel pump/delivery system is likely not the issue. I'd be leaning more towards the timing. Remember, on the 2.2 the distributor is driven off the intermediate shaft. You have to align the crank, cam, AND intermediate shaft to make sure everything is playing nice together. I've attached a diagram of the timing marks for that engine to help you out.Reading about your compression woes, I'd guess the engine has been overheated and the rings for the #2 and #3 pistons are shot (and the bores are probably warped all to hell, too). Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #4 – May 04, 2007, 02:38:00 PM Thanks for the diagram ,, i have the timing marks correct per your diagram.yeah,, i had to dial in the balance shaft and i made sure th rotor was pointing to number 1 plug wire on the cap.looks like i have a mechanical issue. Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #5 – May 04, 2007, 02:47:24 PM Check the timing belt they had issues where the gear at the bottom would rip the cogs off the belt.I want to say all the turbo cars that shelby built were 2.2L Check the LeBarons they were also turboed. From the outside you will never tell the difference between the 2.2 and the 2.5. The stroke was the only difference.Could they possibly have snuck the infamous 2.6 mitus engine in there?2.2L Turbohttp://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/5191/Image8.jpg2.5L Turbohttp://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/5191/Image36.jpg2.6L Turbohttp://www.hightechmarketing.com/starion/Engine.jpg(I know that the engine is in there the wrong way but they put them in the Caravans) Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #6 – May 04, 2007, 03:45:50 PM The Mitsu engine was only in the early early early K-cars.If its an 88, its a 2.5L, with a mitsubishi turbo. The engine is the same, other than having a longer stroke. 88 was also the first year for the blow-through style intake. Yes, the sundance, shadow, lebaron, 600se, mini-vans, and almost every other k-car got this engine, but you have to keep in mind, in 88, they started using the different intake setup. You can do the swap very easily if needs be.The factory fuel systems use a return. All turbo dodges used a return.Pull codes. Its very easy, turn the key on and off 3 times, leaving it in the on position, and it will blink the check engine light, it will give you 2-digit numbers. I havnt had my dodge for almost 2 years, so i dont remember the codes anymore, but you can probably google easily. In my personal opinion, it sounds like an HEP, or hall effect. Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #7 – May 04, 2007, 11:53:26 PM ok,, thanks guysThe hood sticker calles out a 2.2L turbo so that part is okthe pics slamedcat put up took care of one issue.it appears that the 2.2 has a slightly different valve cover than the 2.5.On this car, it appears to be a 2.2 engine with the 2.5 intake. That 2.5 looks like the intake setup i see here. The valve cover is like the 2.2.Now,, i have an extra head for the car that is junk but it has no fuel return provision and the injectors are different.i think i shall pull the codes,,and leakdown test.this cleared up a lot.in a nutshell, it appears i have a 2.2L engine with the 2.5 air intake. confussing as hell. I still have not found that intake on the cars i mentioned but ill see about checking the other models mentioned. Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #8 – May 05, 2007, 09:22:59 AM 2.2 and 2.5 got the same valve cover. Nothing slightly different about them, theyre the same cover, same part number, same everything. The only ones that were different were the n/a and shebly setups.You said the Daytona had balance shafts? Only the 2.5L got balance shafts dude to the longer stroke. Its a common mod to remove them and plug the oil feed holes.The only way youll find that intake is on an 88+ car. 87 and previous use a draw through intake, they call the "log intake" Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #9 – May 05, 2007, 03:33:40 PM http://www.forwardmotioninc.com/ Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #10 – May 06, 2007, 09:22:48 PM Quote from: Tbird232ci;1448972.2 and 2.5 got the same valve cover. Nothing slightly different about them, theyre the same cover, same part number, same everything. The only ones that were different were the n/a and shebly setups.You said the Daytona had balance shafts? Only the 2.5L got balance shafts dude to the longer stroke. Its a common mod to remove them and plug the oil feed holes.The only way youll find that intake is on an 88+ car. 87 and previous use a draw through intake, they call the "log intake"^ the gospel x2 Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #11 – May 06, 2007, 11:42:19 PM shawn,, i have spark, why would you say its the electroinc points?also,, i said the car was an 88,,, im just not sure where you are going wtih all this. i have the intake illustrated on the 2.5. I think that i see a visual difference in those links with respect to the valve cover. The far left and far right seems to have a on the 2.5L that is the one and only reason i think it could be a 2.2. since the 2.5 is the stroker kit,, how would i really know other than intakes? ive already explained the two heads i have as well as injectors.The "balance shaft" might be my technical jargin screw up. What i am calling the balance shaft is the intermediate shaft that drives the distributor which is 2 o'clock form the crank per TC's file he put up for me. Since the crank pully does not have a big round hunk of cast iron on it like our cars do, i assumed the intermediate shaft also served as the internal ballance as well,,,,,,,,,,,,TRUE?im guessing its time to take a picture but it wont be much different than what ive explained.sleepertbirdwhats your opinion? Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #12 – May 08, 2007, 11:49:20 AM and,,here are the codes121422363755 Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #13 – May 08, 2007, 11:54:16 AM 12 Battery or computer recently disconnected 14 MAP sensor voltage below .16V or over 4.96V 22 Coolant sensor signal out of range - May have been disconnected to set timing 36 (turbo) Wastegate control circuit open or shorted 37 Shift indicator light failure, 5-speedORpart throttle lock/unlock solenoid driver circuit (87-89)ORsolenoid coil circuit (85-89 Turbo I-IV)ORTrans temperature sensor voltage low 55 End of codes Quote Selected
88dodge daytona 2.2turbo Reply #14 – May 08, 2007, 07:29:56 PM Quote from: jcassity;145373shawn,, i have spark, why would you say its the electroinc points?Just because its getting spark, doesnt mean the signal is properly timed, or strong enough. My friend and I chased gremlins like this for days in his 86 Daytona.Quotealso,, i said the car was an 88,,, im just not sure where you are going wtih all this.88 was the start of the 2.5L with that style intake. Quotei have the intake illustrated on the 2.5. I think that i see a visual difference in those links with respect to the valve cover. The far left and far right seems to have a on the 2.5L that is the one and only reason i think it could be a 2.2.The valve cover is 100% the same, only ones different are the shelby, and the n/a cars. Even some of the shelbys have the same valve cover, but in black.Quote since the 2.5 is the stroker kit,, how would i really know other than intakes?Its not a kit. Its factory. Starting in 88. The only real was to know for sure is to pull the oil pan. Youll know the balance shafts if you see them. And really, it doesnt matter if you have an electrical issue, the only differences is the rotating assembly.Quoteive already explained the two heads i have as well as injectors.Could you get a picture of the a/c mounting bosses on each of the heads? Thats one of the ways to identify the heads. Chrysler used 2 different heads through the years of the turbo dodge, some got what they call the "bathtub" head, and the others use the swirl head. Its usually by year, but who knows whats up with the car and where the parts came from.QuoteThe "balance shaft" might be my technical jargin screw up. What i am calling the balance shaft is the intermediate shaft that drives the distributor which is 2 o'clock form the crank per TC's file he put up for me. Since the crank pully does not have a big round hunk of cast iron on it like our cars do, i assumed the intermediate shaft also served as the internal balance as well,,,,,,,,,,,,TRUE?That is indeed the intermediate shaft. Youre incorrect about the internal balance. All it does is Drive the oil pump and distributor. No balance is internal other than the 2.5L having balance shafts below the crank. Quote Selected
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