Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #30 – January 22, 2007, 04:50:38 PM Quote from: Thunder Chicken;125114Um.. The last I read, the Hurricane is going to be an OHC engine. According to the latest issue of Hot Rod, it's pushrod. :dunno: Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #31 – January 22, 2007, 04:52:56 PM The last 2 issues of MM&FF, the Jan or Feb Hot Rod, and the Feb Motor Trend all called the Hurricane a pushrod motor.I didn't actually know the 02 Cobra's were rated that high. I thought the 03/04 Mach was top dog. Well there you go, it's better then I thought. I couln't find any published #s for the Shelby GT and only 1 Hertz was sold to the public. If it does come out at 4.6/3v with 330HP it will be a huge step for the mods (almost as big as the 3v 300 was anyways). The STS-V's were only supposed to rate at 440HP if that tells you anything. They are absolute monsters. There are confirmed reports of 465HP rear-wheel #s. You do have to remember that the Northstar comes in a LOT of GM's, inluding 97-03 Oldsmobubbles. Not to mention the crate program. All that's for nought though as the LSx will hand the Northstar OR the Mod their respective @$$es in a smaller, lighter package. I'd love to do some comparos on the 3800 Series II both n/a, blown, and turbo'd to a OHC V6 but I can't think of any that are "performance" engines. That's what I'm getting at, the pushrod motors are still better. The Grand Prix GT in the garage (200HP/225TQ) would rip the snot out of my old SHO (220HP/222TQ) DOHC even with less "Rating". The 240/280 rated GTP is even better. The OHC's just don't have it yet. I think the problem is in the packaging, to get a DOHC V8 to 360ci it would take up the same space as 2 LSx's. Even all-aluminum they are heavy, all that valvetrain adds up. Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #32 – January 22, 2007, 04:57:19 PM The 400HP/400TQ LS2 with 6-Speed in a $29K GTO will go down as the most HP/$ in the 2000's. GM sold every last one Ozzie could build before the 07 crash standards. The new aro will be heavier and the 400HP version will probably cost more. Of course, we got $17K 200HP Turbo-4's in the 80's and now there's $24K 200HP Blown-4's. Ooops. Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #33 – January 22, 2007, 05:06:27 PM Quote from: slamedcat;125101The OHC is still in its infancy compared to the pushrod engine. Actually Fords first SOHC engine was produced from 1965 to 68. It was a 427 that they sold retail at Ford dealers for between $2500 and $5000. OHC technology aint new to Ford. Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #34 – January 22, 2007, 05:13:42 PM I forgot about that one. I know they did a 429 cammer but it was a VERY low-production piece for racing only. I completely flaked on the 427's. I did some more research on the 4v Cobras though. I had assumed that the Mach was top dog, but the 99 and the 01-02 "rate" at 320HP. Of course, the 00's were never made due to the 99's being absolute . Turns out the 01/02's aren't that hot either. Ford is listing some 93% of the 01/02 Cobra crate motors still in stock some 5 years after production halted on them and there was a class-action that got settled out of court. My guess would be that the Mach would dyno RWHP #'s higher then even the 01/02's. The 00 Cobra R has like 0 information though. Any idea what came in it? Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #35 – January 22, 2007, 06:59:01 PM '00 Cobra R had a DOHC 5.4, if I recall correctly it was the same aluminum block/aluminum head engine that came in the Lincoln Navigator.Does anyone else find it retarded that the only regular production vehicle an all-aluminum, DOHC 5.4 has been offered in is the Navigator? What a sweet engine to waste on a land barge. Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #36 – January 22, 2007, 07:51:40 PM I have the Hot Rod where they did the testing to make the Navi engine the GT engine. The crank was turned too much in the radii and kept exploding, so they had to redo more then thought. I was impressed to see just how far Ford went fixing that motor for boost. Can they get a 5.4GT into a fox Stang without a ridiculous hood? Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #37 – January 22, 2007, 09:36:56 PM modulars are such dogs. take this one for example. take a good look, it should look familliar http://www.koenigsegg.com/thecars/engineering.asp?engineering=2Type: V8 cast aluminium, 4 valves per cylinder, double overhead camshafts. Cam cover of carbonfibre.Displacement: 4.700 cm3.Compression: 8.6:1Weight: 215 kgLubrication system: Dry sump with unique oil spray piston cooling. Oil cooler. Oil: SAE 10W60 fully synthetic racing.Oil tank capacity: 12 litres (2.64 gallons)Induction system: Sequential, multipoint fuel injection. Dual Rotrex centrifugal compressors with 1.4 max boost pressure. Intercooler.Fuel: 98 RON unleaded.Ignition system: Direct coil on plug. Transistorised.Power output: 806 bhp at 6.900 rpm.Maximum torque: 920 Nm (678 ftlb) at 5.700 rpm.Maximum rpm: 7.600 rpm. Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #38 – January 22, 2007, 10:47:56 PM Seems someone stocked there 10klb inventory with the wrong manufacture parts. Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #39 – January 22, 2007, 11:43:24 PM Take a good long look at this:http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hdrp_0511_drag_racing_ls1_chevy_camaro/index.html352ci displacement, 105mm throttle-body, Bosch 160 lb/hr injectors, stock GM coil packs, 1,697 hp with 30 psi of boost using a pair of 88mm turbos On a factory GM block. MMmm-mmm them's good #'s. 6.86 at 205 mph. What's the fastest Mod? Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #40 – January 22, 2007, 11:45:54 PM Quote from: Red_LX;125118According to the latest issue of Hot Rod, it's pushrod. Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;125119The last 2 issues of MM&FF, the Jan or Feb Hot Rod, and the Feb Motor Trend all called the Hurricane a pushrod motor.This was from Detroit News a few months ago - the article has expired, but it was quoted on this messageboard in the "stangwagon" thread:QuoteThe 5.0-liter V-8 crate engine will go on sale early next year. It will be available in a variety of configurations with between 340 and 500 horses of power. The base block will start at $1,759, with prices for complete engines ranging from $4,650 to $10,000. "It's designed to withstand the rigors of racing, but is also affordable and streetable," said Jamie Allison, manager of the Ford Racing Performance Group. "It's a new old engine." Other than the name and the number of cylinders, there will not be a lot of similarity between the Boss 302 crate engine and the production version. While the iron-block crate engine uses old-fashioned push-rod technology, Hall said the production version will be an overhead-cam engine. It is also likely to have variable valve timing to boost fuel economy. Ford killed the Hurricane program in 2005 because of concerns about development costs and rising gasoline prices. That decision dismayed many buttstuffysts who said the company desperately needed a more powerful V-8 to compete with DaimlerChrysler AG's Hemi and General Motors Corp.'s Vortec V-8s. Ford Americas President Mark Fields revived the Hurricane project earlier this year, but later decided to change the name.QuoteYou do have to remember that the Northstar comes in a LOT of GM's, inluding 97-03 Oldsmobubbles. Not to mention the crate program.Actually the Northstar was installed in Oldsmobile Auroras, most Cadillacs, and Pontiac Bonneville GXP's. Neither the Aurora or the GXP sold very well, so it hardly qualifies as a LOT of cars. The Modular engine, however, was installed in 91-07 Crown Vic/Grand Marquis/Town Car, 93-98 Mark VIII, 95-?? Continental, 94-97 T-Bird/Cougar, 96-07 Mustang, 97-07 F-series trucks, 97-07 E-series vans, 00-07 Explorer/Mountaneer/Aviator, 97-07 Navigator/Expedition, 96-07 Panoz roadsters, and the GT. Not to mention the crate program. And Aussie vehicles. A single year's production of the F150 alone probably outnumbers all years Northstar production combined. And, I might gloat, all Modular engines except the Continental were in RWD (or RWD-biased 4WD) vehicles :D. When you think about it, there are a LOT of modular engines out there.QuoteAll that's for nought though as the LSx will hand the Northstar OR the Mod their respective @$$es in a smaller, lighter package.The 330-345 horsepower LS1 in an F-body would be slapped silly by a 390-horse 4.6 Terminator (and would likely be closely matched by a 330-horse 3-valve Shelby GT). The 400-horse LS6 MIGHT edge a Terminator, but only barely, and certainly not in a heavier GTO (compared to a 2003-4 Cobra). The 500-horse 5.4-liter Shelby GT engine would certainly show the LS6 who was master anyway. The 500-horse LS7 would in turn walk away from a Shelby, but a 550-horse SC'd GT engine handily outguns the LS7. QuoteI'd love to do some comparos on the 3800 Series II both n/a, blown, and turbo'd to a OHC V6 but I can't think of any that are "performance" engines. That's what I'm getting at, the pushrod motors are still better. The Grand Prix GT in the garage (200HP/225TQ) would rip the snot out of my old SHO (220HP/222TQ) DOHC even with less "Rating". The 240/280 rated GTP is even better. The OHC's just don't have it yet.Comparing a 1989-94 model Taurus to a late 2000's vehicle is like comparing a 190-horse Turbo Coupe to a 200-horse Civic SI. The Civic would run rings around the TC, as well it should, given its near 20-year technological advantage. Everything is faster now than back in the late 80's/early 90's. Hell, most modern cars are faster than the muscle cars of the late 60's. And they do it with smaller, multivalve engines. The base (and only) Honda Odyssey minivan engine produces more power than any pushrod Mustang engine made since 1971.GM's own "High Feature" 3.6 liter DOHC V6 would handily outrun the SC'd 3800 (which is why the "High feature" engine actually replaces the SC'd 3800). Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Hyundai and Honda all have 24-valve V6's that embarrass the supercharged 3800's output as well, as does the new Ford Duratec 3.5. The 3800SC, BTW, is an all cast-iron engine (including the heads) that very likely weighs more than any of the above mentioned aluminum V6 engines.Pushrod engines are going the way of the flathead, like it or not. No volume production manufacturers on earth rely on pushrod engines any more, except GM and Chrysler. puppiesanese, German, Swedish, Korean, French, British, Chinese and Italian - they ALL use OHC engines. Even in USA, Ford uses OHC engines almost exclusively (the only exceptions I can think of being the 4.2 truck and 3.0 Ranger engines). GM has the Ecotech 4's, High Feature 6's, Vortech inline 4's, 5's and 6's, Northstar V'8's, not to mention the 4's it buys from Toyota, V6's it buys from Honda, and the Korean 4's found in the rebadged Daewoo cars, and and is slowly phasing out its pushrod V6's. With a few exceptions DaimlerChrysler uses OHC engines across the board (and certainly the Mercedes part of the company wouldn't be caught dead with a pushod engine) - the 3.8 in the minivan, the Hemi's, some Jeep engines and the Viper's V10 being the few exceptions. Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #41 – January 22, 2007, 11:51:03 PM Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;125210Take a good long look at this:http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hdrp_0511_drag_racing_ls1_chevy_camaro/index.html352ci displacement, 105mm throttle-body, Bosch 160 lb/hr injectors, stock GM coil packs, 1,697 hp with 30 psi of boost using a pair of 88mm turbos On a factory GM block. MMmm-mmm them's good #'s. 6.86 at 205 mph. What's the fastest Mod?I forget the actual numbers, but I'd have to say the TT GT featured in the latest MM&FF magazine would have to be a contender. I forget the actual HP figures, but it was well north of 1200, in a street-legal, air conditioned, fully street drivable, full interior car. Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #42 – January 22, 2007, 11:56:21 PM Quoth the March 2007 issue of Hot Rod: "The Hurricane is an all-new Ford engine family featuring pushrod technology (yes!) and architecture roomy enough to accommodate 7.0L displacements." Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #43 – January 23, 2007, 01:36:05 AM Quote from: Dogcharmer;125122Actually Fords first SOHC engine was produced from 1965 to 68. It was a 427 that they sold retail at Ford dealers for between $2500 and $5000. OHC technology aint new to Ford.Yes but you see that pic thats as far as it got. How many companies have invested time and money into a OHC program that has lasted more than a couple of years before being sed? I still stand by what I said about it being in its infancy. It doesn't matter what year the first OHC was built. It is what has come from what they did build? You can list every engine from 1900-2000 and how many OHC engines are there? A hand full compaired to the tried and true pushrod. Quote Selected
Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND Reply #44 – January 23, 2007, 06:21:35 AM Quote from: Red_LX;125215Quoth the March 2007 issue of Hot Rod: "The Hurricane is an all-new Ford engine family featuring pushrod technology (yes!) and architecture roomy enough to accommodate 7.0L displacements."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Boss_engineQuote from: wikipediaThe Boss is a forthcoming large-displacement V8 engine project at Ford Motor Company. The engine project was reportedly cancelled in 2005 as the company focused on its existing Triton V8 and V10, but was reportedly[1] revived in early 2006 by Mark Fields. The large engine will compete with DaimlerChrysler's new Hemi and General Motors' large Vortec engines. The Boss engine will reportedly displace 6.2 L on introduction, with the ability to exceed 7.0 L in future applications, and produce more than 425 hp (317 kW) and 425 ft·lbf (576 N·m). It will be built at Cleveland Engine in Cleveland, Ohio. The first application will be Ford's F-Series pickup trucks produced at Dearborn Truck. It has been rumored that the Boss will retain many of the Modular V8 design cues such as a deep skirt block with cross bolted main caps, oiling system design, and overhead camshaft valve train arrangement. The Boss' largest departure from the Modular V8 is the significantly wider 116mm bore spacing. The engine was initially called the "Hurricane", but this was changed in mid 2006 to the storied Boss name[2] in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.Ok, didn't expect all the linkage. That's pretty cool... sorta. Anyhoos, it looks like no one really knows what Ford is up to. Kinda like the 05 Mustang and it's rear suspension setup. Quote Selected
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