Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND

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Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND

January 21, 2007, 11:24:02 AM

I just wondering if anyone else has noticed this new FAD. I think it is a pretty sweet idea. Just put a cobra crank in a lincoln 4.6 4v
modify the heads,cam,valvesprings,a sweet intake. Then wire it up for the FI system and throw some NOS at it and your at 600rwh before you know it. I think i'm getting the itch. What ya'll think.
I should put one in our 66 Ranch Wagon,I bet I would be the first.
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Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND

Reply #1 – January 21, 2007, 11:36:21 AM

I personally dont care for the mod motors.

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Reply #2 – January 21, 2007, 11:43:51 AM

Thats what I thought at first,but they are really growing on me. I've had the itch to go buy a 99-04 Mustang Gt lately. The car payment would suck though. I'll probably get another 2.3turbo car though.
I cant getover how sweet you bird looks with the stang wheels,and the semi-gloss.

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Reply #3 – January 21, 2007, 01:30:42 PM

The 4.6 DOHC is sweet, but too frickin' wide!

However, I'd love to have a Cobra or Mach 1 with one in it.

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Reply #4 – January 21, 2007, 09:01:39 PM

The 4.6 is a joke. There's still no aftermarket support for them, and the 2v's are dogs. Hell, they're ALL dogs unless they're boosted. I see more and more 302/351 swaps into the 94-04's every day. No wonder Ford is finally working on a pushrod motor. 400HP n/a LS2's, 505HP n/a LS7's, 345HP 5.7 Hemi's, 425HP 6.1L Hemi's. Even the 5.4 hasn't a chance without the blower.

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Reply #5 – January 21, 2007, 09:44:00 PM

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No wonder Ford is finally working on a pushrod motor

Got any links? I'd like to learn more on that.....

Are "Mod-Motor Swaps" The new TREND

Reply #6 – January 21, 2007, 10:39:39 PM

Quote from: 1BDBIRD;124903

I just wondering if anyone else has noticed this new FAD. I think it is a pretty sweet idea. Just put a cobra crank in a lincoln 4.6 4v
modify the heads,cam,valvesprings,a sweet intake. Then wire it up for the FI system and throw some NOS at it and your at 600rwh before you know it. I think i'm getting the itch. What ya'll think.
I should put one in our 66 Ranch Wagon,I bet I would be the first.

i personally love them.

depending on the power level you wouldnt realy need to swap in the cobra crank as the rods and pistons are the real weak point in the NA modulars anyhow. 8-9 psi and a tune down to 400-450 rwhp seems to be the average limmit considered safe with the NA 4 valves running boost. now, your talking a good 500 hp there. thats some pretty serious stuff. forged bottom end and the sky is the limmit.

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Reply #7 – January 21, 2007, 10:45:54 PM

Quote from: Paul Flockhart;124994

Got any links? I'd like to learn more on that.....

Yeah links? That's a new one on me.

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Reply #8 – January 21, 2007, 10:57:07 PM

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The 4.6 is a joke. There's still no aftermarket support for them, and the 2v's are dogs. Hell, they're ALL dogs unless they're boosted. I see more and more 302/351 swaps into the 94-04's every day. No wonder Ford is finally working on a pushrod motor. 400HP n/a LS2's, 505HP n/a LS7's, 345HP 5.7 Hemi's, 425HP 6.1L Hemi's. Even the 5.4 hasn't a chance without the blower.

again, to each his own. we all know you done like the modulars. the 4.6 is a joke? the 2 valves are slower cause they are in a pig of a car. my mustang weighs about the same as my tbird did. yank the 5.0 out of a cute little notch and drop that dog of a 2 valve (were talking 99 up as the 96-98s realy were a joke, same power leval as the 5.0 though) into it and id bet anything the car would be faster. yep thats why ford dropped the 5.0. cube for cube the mods make way more power. im not doging the 5.0. the windsor engines are great engines. for me, they have run their course and i have no interest in them anymore. as far s aftermarket support, thats somewhat true but imo doesnt matter much because there are plenty of things to do to them. they are very responsive to mods. now, at any one point i always planned on a boosted engine and id rather have a boosted 4.6 dohc than a windsor anything anyday. it just suits me better. they make bigger, smoother higher reving power.

imo, a turbo coupe with a blown 4valve swapped in is more exotic and more apealing than a 302 with a blower...

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400HP n/a LS2's, 505HP n/a LS7's, 345HP 5.7 Hemi's, 425HP 6.1L Hemi's.

if thats what you want, then swap one in. i dont realy consider those as they are not ford products and i personally would never swap any one of them in a ford. it just doesnt do it for me. the hemis are alright. sure they make good power but they are pigs on gas. my bud had a nice and light, stripped regular cab 1500 pick up with the hemi and the best he could do was 13mpg...yay. my little 4 valve with 320 hp and 281 cubes averages a good 23-25 and on long trips i can get her up to a best of 31.3 mpg. you arent looking at the whole picture man. those mod motors, even though arent at the same power leval are still on par. as far as arguing a 5.0 being better at that power leval, well you see blocks split at that power leval all the time.

take that gto in your sig for example, you know the one that aint yours....my car puts down the same numbers but makes less power. its all in how ya look at it...and what tickles your nuts just the right way.

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Reply #9 – January 21, 2007, 11:59:41 PM

4.6 16 valve SOHC was a cool idea but cost way too much to modify and is a gigantic engine. Somehow ford managed to package 281 cubes in an engine the size of a 460. Even though PI heads helped the 99 and up they still only flow around pushrod GT40 numbers. If I was to consider the time, effort and expence of a modular swap my only option would be a 4.6 32 valve DOHC or one of the 05 and up 24 valve SOHC engines. Ford got it right with both of those.

I could never afford to play with either one so I'll stick with pushrod motors.

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Reply #10 – January 22, 2007, 10:20:21 AM

Hot Rod and MM&FF have both reported on the new Ford pushrod V8. It really makes sense for them. I wasn't trying to say people should drop LSx's and Hemi's into Fords, just pointing out what GM and DC are up to and why Ford is soooooo far behind. John's 05 GTO is 400HP/400FtLbs bone stock, goes 13.3's@108, gets 28 mpg, and is far nicer then the new Mustangs, for $29K. Guys have gone as quick as 12.70's on DR's all-stock (down to the paper air filter and spare in the trunk). Sure the new GT500 makes 500HP, but it needed to be a 5.4 and have a blower to do it. The 427ci LS7 does it n/a (or 632HP with the GM Hot-Cam). 100% stock LS2's with Magnachargers routinely put down 500HP to the WHEELS at 8 psi. Ford needs to step beyond the 4.6. They made a little progress with the 3V but it's still a doggy-dog. Put the 3v heads on a 5.4 and stick that in the Stang, there's a solution. And until the aftermarket really starts to care (new heads, new blocks, etc, etc) they'll still be low-po. Heck, the 5.3L LS4 front-drivers are computer-limited to 303HP! They're already reporting 40+HP to the wheels with a tune. They just don't have enough ci to make big #'s without forced induction (just like TC 2.3's). Not to mention the size and weight...

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Reply #11 – January 22, 2007, 11:24:43 AM

i dont even realy want to get into any other manufacturers line. apples to oranges. you attacked the 4.6 like its a pos and they just arent. they are still there hp per cube. truthefully, fords always been behind in terms of power. they always outsold gm by a landslide they just didnt realy need it. i realy like what dodge has done. id love a srt8charger. the gto doesnt do it for me at all. the zo6 is the best american sports car ever made. the new mustang doesnt do it for me either and you will never see me driving one. even if ford is working on a pushrod line up its for the aftermarket. likely you will never see a pushrod in a production engine again. certainly not a mustang. pushrods arent the problem anyway, displacement is. the 4 valve makes little power down low cause it hase huge heads and a cam desighned for a much bigger engine. thats why they dont realy pull till they start moving some air and why they are so responsive to boost. the fr500 heads are awesome heads as well as the cams. although pricey, they make a huge differance. all of the aluminum blocks are much stronger than the later 5.0 production blocks. the teksids are likely the strongest blocks ford ever used. the iron 03-04 blocks are tough as well. no need to upgrade those. ford probably should have started with a blower setup in 99. these engines are suited for and are animals with boost. if its BIG NA power your after than yeah, likely a 4.6 aint gonna do it for ya. a 5.4 dohc with the aussi boss 290 intake will net around 400 rwhp. that should be enough to keep a smile on most peoples face. a buddy of mine is currently working on a swap kit to drop the 5.4 into new edge cobras, mach 1s and even merauders as a bolt in affair. all i know is ill be plenty happy with 8 psi and 500hp. my goal is about 425 rwhp. personally, doing it with a windsor pushrod engine is just too boring. if its not enough, ill build it up with forged pistons and rods and crank up the boost. 600-700 is possible without ever touching the cams, heads or intake. to say these engines are junk is just ignorant. belive what you want.

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Reply #12 – January 22, 2007, 12:53:29 PM

"my goal is about 425 rwhp"

GTO with headers vs. 5.4 with blower come ON man, that's a DOG. YES, the Mod motors make MAD power on boost and RPMs, BUT the LS-series does it even better. Heads that flow 340cfm+ with only 2-valves is freaking genious. Hell, my lowly AMC motors flow more then the 3v heads. If it's not a boosted 4v, it's not making the power it should. The 1st gen non-PI 2v's were a joke. They always will be too. The PI 2v's barely give 5.0HO's a run and the 99-02 4v's are dogs. The ONLY reason the 03/04 Cobra came with a blower is because Coletti called it like he saw it, a DOG and MADE them shove a blower on it. There's not enough meat in those motors to make any real displacement (unless your starting with the 5.4) and all the head flow in the world means jack without some cubes or boost.

"they are still there hp per cube."

281-2v = 225HP = ~.080HP/ci
281-2vPI = 260HP = ~0.93HP/ci
281-3v = 300HP = ~1.07HP/ci
281-4v = 305HP = ~1.09HP/ci

346 LS1 2v = 350HP = ~1.01HP/ci
346 LS6 2v = 405HP = ~1.17HP/ci
364 LS2 2v = 400HP = ~1.10HP/ci
427 LS7 2v = 505HP = ~1.18HP/ci

352 Hemi 2v = 340HP = ~0.97HP/ci
377 Hemi 2v = 425HP = ~1.13HP/ci

289 Ford 2v = 271HP = ~0.94HP/ci in 1965.

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Reply #13 – January 22, 2007, 01:04:43 PM

FYI the new pushrod Ford engine is the "Hurricane" engine program. Supposed to be going into F-150's within the next couple years and rumored for the next gen mustang. I read that unlike the mod motors, the Hurricane's design allows displacements up to 7.0 liters.

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Reply #14 – January 22, 2007, 01:25:27 PM

7.0L NOW you're talking. The new F150 better have that because the GMT900's are rocking.