Lincoln LS anyone? August 25, 2008, 10:46:23 PM Does anyone else love the late model LS's? Built on the same platform as the new thunderbird (which I didn't really care for), it's much more attractive than the vintage tbird look. I will have to look into one of these for my next car. Sample pic from someone's cardomain: Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #1 – August 25, 2008, 11:22:19 PM I love any Lincoln. More of a Towncar guy though Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #2 – August 26, 2008, 12:22:22 AM I do like those they are nice. Always have. HOWEVER....If I were to get a late-model Lincoln....it would be one o' these....in black. Theres one right near me that's black...and every time I see it I cant stop looking. The body-matching black grille just looks sinister and the rest of the car is just tasty. I seriously want one LOL. Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #3 – August 26, 2008, 12:57:34 AM any lincoln ls i've worked on has had electrical issues related to the "fly by wire" throttle system.... it's usually the throttle body itself and costs about 600 to replace.... the interiors usually hold up well and they seem to drive well enough... just a few too many electrical gremlins for my taste Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #4 – August 26, 2008, 01:52:20 AM There 2 or 3 at the car lots like $8,000-10,000 and with the cost of parts might as well get a MARK 8 LSC.Also saw the new MKS the other day and the kinda new MKZ are great to drive heres a few pics of some nice lincolns. Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #5 – August 26, 2008, 10:17:21 AM Quote from: mywifeskitty;233657any lincoln ls i've worked on has had electrical issues related to the "fly by wire" throttle system.... it's usually the throttle body itself and costs about 600 to replace.... the interiors usually hold up well and they seem to drive well enough... just a few too many electrical gremlins for my taste UGH I hate all that new drive-by-wire . The pedal feels so fake. Im not playing a video game I dont want it to feel like that! Stupid stupid stupid. Oh well. Ill buy one and change it BACK:evilgrin: Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #6 – August 26, 2008, 10:20:30 AM Quoteany FORD MOTOR COMPANY PRODUCT i've worked on has had electrical issuesFixed that for ya. Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #7 – August 26, 2008, 11:01:36 AM Eric, have you driven any GM made in the '90's?They make Ford's electrical issues seem tame. Usually less expensive to fix parts-wise, but that's because they happen so often. Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #8 – August 26, 2008, 11:22:54 AM Yeah, that is true, Paul. But every Ford has its gremlins also, in my experience. My buddy used to work for a contract company for Packard Electric, which is now Delphi, but was previously an exclusive GM supplier for wiring harnesses and connectors. He was in the advertising department and frequently had to photograph wiring harnesses and related components for GM vehicles. Some of the things he told me...man, I don't know how these vehicles ever hit the streets in their conditions.- The one-piece harness for the first-gen Olds Aurora. It's one single harness from the headlights to the taillights, including the engine wiring, dashboard, and all the interior sub-systems. Any wiring problems in the car? Replace the ENTIRE HARNESS. I believe he said it was something like 75-100 pounds too. The second-gen Aurora had 3 sections so it wasn't as bad.Wonder who got fired for that one...- Pinholes in the wiring sheathing, on critical wires under the hood. Just add water for instant fireworks!- The taillight harnesses that used to get pinched in the tailgates of the Blazer/Jimmy.Doesn't take too much of an engineer to figure out that that was a disaster waiting to happen...- My personal favorite: a few years ago, people in a small Michigan town began to notice a horrible rash of chewed-up wiring in their engine compartments. They were all later-model GM vehicles, different brands and models. Obviously this led to performance issues with the cars and multiple expensive fixes, most of them not under warranty. In fact, the problem got so pervasive that people started buying cats to keep the chipmunks and squirrels away from the cars. Packard officials heard about the problems and subsequently drove to the scene. They discovered that one wire (dark blue/pink IIRC) was always chewed up.Which is the one wire, out of the entire harness, upon which they decided to use an organic-based sheathing. One made out of peanut oil...something that little furry animals just love to eat.Ooooops. [/hijack]Sorry about that, just had to share the stories. I once thought the LS was teh shiznit. It's a nice car, for sure. As time goes on, though, it's nothing but a blip in the rearview mirror... Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #9 – August 26, 2008, 12:04:58 PM No, thanks for the stories Eric, thats some wild stuff! Wow. Probably explains why my buddy's '90 rick mears vette he just got wont stay runnning for more than five minutes and messing with random wires under the dash sometimes kills it sometimes not LOL. Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #10 – August 26, 2008, 02:24:53 PM L/S = very nice looking car......but pain to work on & trans problems.... Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #11 – August 26, 2008, 02:35:56 PM Quote from: EricCoolCats;233679- The one-piece harness for the first-gen Olds Aurora. It's one single harness from the headlights to the taillights, including the engine wiring, dashboard, and all the interior sub-systems. Any wiring problems in the car? Replace the ENTIRE HARNESS. I believe he said it was something like 75-100 pounds too. The second-gen Aurora had 3 sections so it wasn't as bad.[DERAIL]The '00 Cadillac Deville was like that as well. I know this personally, because I had the honour of replacing the harness in a brand new, never titled 2000 Deville (the very first '00 Deville in Canada, too!). Replacing the harness was bad enough, but the reason for it was simply amazing:The car was pre-ordered by a prominent local business man. Months after he ordered it, it showed up on the car carrier. One problem: Somewhere between the plant and the dealership somebody had broken into it and stolen the radio. Even worse, they cut the plug off the harness so they'd have a means of connecting their shiny new stereo (and they were smart, too - the owner's manual and new car papers were missing out of the glove box, so they even got the code). The salesman (who also happened to be the dealer prinl's son, so naturally he was the general manager of the place) was in a panic - his biggest, most important customer had been waiting months! Since this was a new body style parts were unobtanium. He contacted GM, who gave him three options:Wait for another Deville and send this one back to GMOrder a new harness direct from the factory and cut the radio plug off it, then splice it into the car's existing harnessSame thing, but replace the entire harness in the vehicleWhichever choice he made GM would cover the cost and bill the carrier. Being an idiot who only worked around cars because his daddy owned the place, he made the stupidest choice: Replace the entire harness. His reasoning: "No customer of mine is going to be driving a Cadillac with any splices in the wiring!!!" Being the resident electrical guy the job was passed to me. I tried to explain to the salesman that perhaps completely dismantling a brand new car might not be the best idea. He'd hear none of it....So a new harness was expressed from the factory (I do believe it was north of 150 pounds - the harness included all fuse and relay boxes, several modules, etc). This, like the Aurora, was the COMPLETE harness, headlight to tail light, floor pan to headliner, door to door. I started my job. I had removed the complete interior (dash, seats, carpeting, door panels, headliner, etc). I'd gutted the trunk. There was a pretty much empty shell of a brand new $60k car in my bay and a pile of $60k car parts in the bay next to me. I was halfway through tearing into the engine bay when the saleman strolled through the shop and said "Wow, I didn't realize how much work this would be. Maybe you should just splice the harness". I could've killed him. Instead I reassembled the car, spliced in the new radio plug, cut all of the relay/fuse boxes, actuators, etc out of the new harness and tossed 'em in my tool box, and chucked the rest in the garbage (copper then wasn't worth near what it is now, else I'd have saved it for s). Shortly after this fiasco I had my accident with my Cougar, which shook me awake to the fact that I could not continue on my current life plan (going to work in agony from my Volvo accident), so I left the dealership, and indeed, the trade. I can only imagine how many times that car was back in for squeaks & rattles. To this day I've still got hundreds of GM relays, sensors, etc, most of which I have no idea what they do but can't bring myself to chuck 'em because they're, um, new:hick:[/DERAIL]As for the Lincoln LS, I'm not surprised that the electronic throttle has issues. Volvos were plagued with the same problem, to the point several class action lawsuits were launched and a recall was finally forced. Probably the same part, except on a Volvo it's a $1500 price tag. Yet another reason I got rid of that Swedish shiznitbox. Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #12 – August 27, 2008, 01:20:02 AM My dad has owned both an LS V8 and a Mark VIII. The Mark VIII we have now was my Grandfather's -- it has under 30K miles. I believe it's a '97. I personally prefer the LS. I've been considering one for a few weeks now. Do a search on AutoTrader -- I found plenty in my area for around 5K with under 100K miles. Of course, you're probably looking to spend a little bit more than my college a$$. Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #13 – August 27, 2008, 09:18:45 AM Quote from: Thunder Chicken;233693[DERAIL] "Wow, I didn't realize how much work this would be. Maybe you should just splice the harness". Wow. That is miserable. What a total friggin ass. Way to be in touch with your own field. :rolleyes: Quote Selected
Lincoln LS anyone? Reply #14 – August 27, 2008, 02:09:15 PM Took my first ride in a Marauder yesterday....Those seats are TONS more comfy then your standard Crown Vic pieces. Plenty of stuff in them I wouldn't mind incorporating into the Cougar as well. I also never realized the rear suspension on them was air bags.As far as the electronic throttle issues on the LS; how different is the gearing mechanism in the side of the throttle body as compared to a Crown Vic or an S-197 Mustang? Both of those seem to suffer from pedal problems as far as throttle response is concerned.....It'shiznit and miss too. My car's pedal responds to the tiniest input. The same can be said of some of the Crown Vics at work, while others won't do a thing until you depress the pedal 3/8".There's a write-up on how to modify the pedal to get rid of the slack. Quote Selected
Stupid stupid stupid. Oh well. Ill buy one and change it BACK:evilgrin:
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