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Reply #15 –
This
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

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Reply #16 –
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375317
Not buying it Shadow Gm has great electronics and wiring.

maybe they have 'great wiring' now, but they certainly don't on any of the  i work on (90 and older, unless it's an S10/sonoma).. i refuse to touch camaros newer than 81, they all disgust me and i hate the LS motors.. GM is notorious for trash pumps, just as ford has sucky oil pumps and dodge can't build a transmission that'll last long enough to drive off the lot.. ok, the last 1 is a stretch, but i bet it has happened at least once!
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Reply #17 –
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375317
This statement is debatable. GM has great wiring and their pumps are one of the best on the market. And also every EFI system that is made aftermarket normally uses GM sensors for reliability. Case in point TFI PIP worst ever. And How about the 9 recalls on late model ford fuel pumps. The numbers were changed and vendors were changed 9 times before ford used a vendor that GM also uses. Not buying it Shadow Gm has great electronics and wiring.

Hey Tom, all I work on are gm's, I'm a wrench turner on a fleet of them, every one are wire problems and fuel pumps! The guys that run them always run them down to empty.
Old Grey Cat to this.88 Cat, 5.0 HO, CW mounts, mass air, CI custom cam, afr165's, Tmoss worked cobra intake, BBK shorty's,off road h pipe, magnaflow ex. T-5,spec stage 2 clutch, 8.8 373 TC trac loc, che ajustables with bullits on the rear. 11" brakes up front. +

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Reply #18 –
Only time I leave mine running, is if its really cold out and I go sit back in the cab.  Or if its cold out and my truck has only driven a few blocks and not up to operating temp yet.  Im not going to jinx myself with my 2 GM trucks and 150K and 130K and still original fuel pumps, and brag about it.  96 silverado and 00 suburban.
Mike

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Reply #19 –
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I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

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Reply #20 –
The fuel pump in my cougar is almost 24 years old and its stock, never been replaced. Ford didnt have problems with fuelpumps, they had problems with fuel sending units. Every ford truck I've owned other than my 01 ranger has had a wrong or not working fuel gauge. In my opinion, fueling a running car is as dumb as getting back in the car after you start the pump. All it take is a small spark to catch your car on fire, I know, this happened to my cousin while her kids were in the car.
88 Cougar LS 5.0 .030 over, ported E7s with GT40 valves & trickflow springs, Proform roller rockers, HO cam, removed air silencer, K&N filter, smog pump delete, 2.25" dual flowmasters, Pacestter H-pipe & headers, HO computer, 65mm TB, Explorer intake, 19# injecters, 3.45s, rebuilt posi, and TCI shift kit.

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Reply #21 –
Quote from: Bruce M;375343
........this happened to my cousin while her kids were in the car.

Please tell us the kids are ok?????
1988 T-Bird Sport Coupe--5.0 HO, MAF swap, 1-5/8" shorties, BBK/Flowmaster exhaust, Explorer intake, 70mm Edelbrock TB, T5, B&M short throw, Centerforce clutch and PP, disc brake TC rear w/ 3.55's, TC front brakes, '98 Cobra springs, DIY SFC's, other misc .  14.05 @ 98mph with launching too low and shifting too high.

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Reply #22 –
I never shut any of my vehicles off. especially in winter.... to be honest, it's still safer then the woman who was next to me with the cigarette in her hand pumping gas....:hick:
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Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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Reply #23 –
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375342
but no one can bash the LS and mean it.

yes i can, i truely hate em with a passion
ShadowMSC.com < < Still Under Construction

R.I.P. 'Zump' 8/29/86 - 11/11/11
3- 87 TC's / 1 really mean 83 Capri RS / 94 Sonoma SAS Project on 37x12.50 TSL Radials / 88 S10 that's LITERALLY cut to pieces / 84 F150 SAS, 351M, 39.5 TSL's / 85 Toyota regular cab, 22R 5spd, 3/4" drop, my little junkyard save/daily driver

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Reply #24 –
I don't think i've ever seen someone leave their car running whilst filling it with fuel.
83 Thunderbird Heritage - Right Hand Drive
95 Falcon GLi

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Reply #25 –
Oh, and I never let it go below 1/4 tank........
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5.0 HO 306 roller block, machined GT-40P heads, Wiseco dished forged pistons, Eagle forged floating I-beam connecting rods, Lunati pushrods, ARP bolts, Scorpion aluminum 1.6 rockers, Comp Cams Magnum 266HR, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, MAF Conversion, 19# injectors, Ford Racing stainless P-headers, 2-1/2" cat-less exhaust w/ Flowtech Afterburner lers , SC AOD with 2800 BDR torque converter, 3.73 T-Lok rear, CHE rear control arms, full 2-1/2" frame w/1" jacking rails & seat supports, Rear disk brakes, Turbine wheels, All original interior w/ floor shift upgrade .......
Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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Reply #26 –
Shad
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

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Reply #27 –
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I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

Gassing Up

Reply #28 –
Whew. All those guys running external pumps must be nuts.

IMHO, your more unsafe fueling up with a running car (minimal risk) than you run the risk of shocking the pump with cold fuel. Making the argument that cold fuel will shock it then admit that they are cooled by fuel is also kind of retarded.

Never run a pump dry. They pump fuel, not air. They are cooled from within whelst moving liquid.



The LS engine is a great engine. They put it in trash but it is what it is. The "good" ones are in their expensive trash. They went to distibutorless ignition, way after Ford. Aluminum blocks, way after Ford, changed their firing order to match Ford. They build good power because of displacement, high compression and good flow despite still using 2 valves per cylinder and old cam in block tech. Good on them, they still manage to get it done. LT engines kind of blow. Far as records being broke, I can only assume this was with a ZR1? (I don't know because i couldn't care less as it's completely irrelevant) which has a $21,000 6.2L boosted engine. Ironically enough after GM guys whine and bust on Ford for breaking records and donky stomping GM by boosting their cobra engine.....Hmmmmm This in a car, not many can afford. How ever, one must wonder, If they were SO great, why are there 50 different variations of the LS government welfare motors out there?

It's not all about the engine anyway, as any car guy knows. I can skull drag my uncles 01 Vette coupe down the track and around town all day when on paper, it should be the other way around. At the end of the day his car is probably the better one. I hate the things.
:america: 1988 Thunderbird Sport, Former 4.6 DOHC T56 conversion project.

Rest of the country, Welcome to Massachusettes. Enjoy your stay.

 
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~John~

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Reply #29 –
Ding ding...here we go again...another 5 page e-argument over who has a bigger pen 15.

engine on, or off while fueling...is it really gonna cause world peace?

Anybody that rags on GM for having py wiring has obviously never had an alternator/ignition switch/engine fire on a Ford....look in the junkyards....you'll find a  sight more burnt Fords and old Dodge shiznit than you will GM...and I'm NO GM fanboy.

The LS engines ARE good....if they are not, why are tons of Mustang clowns swapping to 'em?

The Coyote is a good engine too...but at nearly 1/3 more bulk and complexity...

Blown, or not...the majority of the serious power junkies will end up with forced induction anyway, so that's kind've silly...it's been back and forth between the pony car companies since 1967...nothing new.

Now..isn't this thread about fuel pumps and cold gas, and not about who had a bigger pen 15 in regards to whether they have a Ford or GM?

I'm not one to bitch about the rivalry, I've done my fair share of putting down GM, but maybe it's that i'm growing up...or just shaging tired of it. Who gives a rat's fat ass...
I'm seriously about to leave ALL the car forums I'm registered on because of the e-thuggery and the constant g and moaning about this part or car or track or f*ck-all is better than that and if you don't agree with the other fella then you're a douche...piss on that.

/rant.

(not directed at anybody in particular..just...frustrated with the bitching on forums...it gets really juvenile after a coupla years..
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)