Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

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Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #30 – April 13, 2005, 03:53:01 PM

Quote from: jkirchman

There are two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other peoples' cultures, and the French.

Indeed My father hates that i like some puppies things, they may have been tought back then to be adamant against outside influences, but that just not the way its run anymore. I called him culturally dry and he got pissed at me. ( this whole argument between my father and i came about over a samauri movie)

What im tryin to say is we need to be tolerant with other cultures.

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #31 – April 13, 2005, 04:29:45 PM

Quote from: jkirchman

Examples: Instead of le computer you must say le ordinateur and other such nonsense.

Actually, that would be l'ordinateur. The same way we seperate 'a' and 'an' when it precedes a vowel. Vous ne comprenez pas le français.

(and yes, I'm joking, an a big way

)

:canada:

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #32 – April 13, 2005, 04:49:28 PM

Quote from: 20th anny 5.o

Indeed My father hates that i like some puppies things, they may have been tought back then to be adamant against outside influences, but that just not the way its run anymore. I called him culturally dry and he got pissed at me. ( this whole argument between my father and i came about over a samauri movie)

What im tryin to say is we need to be tolerant with other cultures.

See, in my book he IS tolerant of them.

All the groups out there desperately searching for validation in the eyes of everyone else have twisted "tolerant" into something hideous. In my book, if you're not out actively trying to destroy another culture or at the very least going out of your way to badmouth it to everyone you see regardless of their opinion of it, then you're tolerating it.

But, as I see it, activist groups of people like many homoshaguals have turned "tolerant" into meaning anything that welcomes them with open arms and enthusiastic support of their ways. If you don't sing their praises, then you are labelled as intolerant and even fearful of them, no matter what your actual view of the group in question. As an example: I admit, I don't like most gays.. HOWEVER, I say it with no more dislike than if I said I didn't like turnips. But, even that gets me labelled as intolerant and homophobic and what not.. even though I tolerate them every time I encounter them.. and I sure as hell don't fear them. Until they make their shaguality an issue, they're just another person to me.. and after they make their shaguality an issue, they're still just another person to me, just a person who has gone out of their way to share something I didn't really want to know. As long as it goes no further than that, I have no problem with that. I don't love gay people in general, I don't hate gay people in general.. basically as long as no one actively tries to "recruit" me, I simply don't care about whatever they wanna do.

I use gays as an example because they're one of many groups where the "tolerant/intolerant" labelling gets applied heavily. Some things about the treatment of "alternative lifestyle" groups and ethnic groups are similar.. but this is not meant to say that (as an example) gays and asians (since you mentioned your father disliking "puppiess") share all the same issues.

I've been as careful with my words as I could be, in a discussion like this.. but I have a feeling that this thread could get out of hand easily with one wrong word.

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #33 – April 13, 2005, 04:55:48 PM

Seems they want 'tolerant' to mean 'indifferent'.

What does Mexcougar think of all this?

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #34 – April 13, 2005, 05:00:57 PM

Quel arbre? - More french I remember....it's all starting to come back.

"Is minic a bhris béal duine a shrón."

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #35 – April 13, 2005, 05:21:39 PM

Quote from: oldraven

Seems they want 'tolerant' to mean 'indifferent'.

I think they want it to mean more than indifferent.. because as I've tried to explain, my attitude is pretty much indifferent to them.. but they react as badly to my outlook on them as if I had openly bashed them. I think they want "tolerant" to be nothing less than full and unconditional acceptance, approval, and support.

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #36 – April 13, 2005, 05:56:04 PM

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Vous ne comprenez pas le français

Took two years of it in high school and that's about it. And all the Spanish I've heard since I met my wife has pretty much cancelled out the little bit 'o French that I learned. Plus, I ain't from Canada. Everything here is in English and Spanish, not English and French. Thank God.

:hick:

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #37 – April 13, 2005, 07:04:28 PM

One thing I dont understand is that the ATM at the bada-boom room ( :ies: ) has english and spanish options, then when that ran out of money I walked down to my bank and that ATM had english, spanish, and french options. Yet this is

where i've NEVER heard one lick of spanish! And I hear more of the indian and natives languages than french!

Took french in school till grade 10(?) and cant understand anything in french but when my mom/grandparents/uncles would yell in ukranian I knew pretty well what was goin on, probabally has something with growing up around it :p cant speak/write/read a word of it though.

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #38 – April 13, 2005, 08:12:57 PM

I've always wondered why minorities use the word "tolerance" anyway. I "tolerate" the little that lives next door to me, but I certainly do not like him. I "tolerate" people smoking around me, but I don't like it. To me, the word "tolerate", by definition, means "to not like something but to put up with it anyway", so the gays (again, only using them as an example) asking for tolerance seems kinda backwards to me. Their goal should be "acceptance". I accepted my friend when he told me he was gay (Who killed himself two years ago, and I just this moment realized that today would've been his 32nd birthday). I accept people talking a different language than I (unless they're pointing at me and giggling). I have no hatred for things I don't understand, so I don't "tolerate" them, I accept and try to understand them (I'd love to understand different languages). I accept other's cultures and traditions.

What I don't accept OR tolerate is people trying to change everyone's way of life to suit their own, such as athiests trying to remove "One nation under God" from the pledge of allegiance or Christmas from schools. And I am not religious in any way, shape or form. I just don't believe that one person with their knickers in a knot over having to look at a nativity scene should force everybody else to not have to look at it. I don't think the religious right should force thier views on others either, so it's a two-way street. The athiest can turn his head away from the nativity scene just as well as the religious zealot (to put this fire out before it starts, I do not consider all religious people "zealots", only those who pick and choose the parts of the bible to follow and then try to force those beliefs on everyone else) can turn his head and not look at the two gay guys getting married. Unfortunately we'll always have people who are not happy unless the world bows to them. As far as I'm concerned, if it does not affect me and there are no victims I have no reason to oppose it, and neither should anyone else.

The Sikh mountie I mentioned earlier was not trying to change anything for anybody else except himself. He was not asking that all mounties start wearing turbans, he was only asking that they allow him to. Nothing wrong with that. When somebody tries to stop a Christmas concert at an elementary school because they don't believe in God, well, that is wrong. Not because they don't believe in God - they are, after all, free to chose their religion. What is wrong is that they arte actively trying to stop people that DO believe in God from practicing their traditions. For pete's sake, if you don't want to see the concert, don't go to it! Just don't expect any support from me if you try to stop anyone else from going!

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #39 – April 13, 2005, 08:21:00 PM

Quote from: Tbird232ci

dame cabeza puto!

You first . . . mama verga . . .

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #40 – April 13, 2005, 08:37:38 PM

Quote from: Thunder Chicken

What I don't accept OR tolerate is people trying to change everyone's way of life to suit their own, such as athiests trying to remove "One nation under God" from the pledge of allegiance

Those four words were added much later. Do you tolerate the people who wanted to add them, if you don't tolerate the people who want them absent again?

Actually, I was reading the other day that the original pledge called for people to salute the flag with right arm and hand extended toward it. Kinda like another salute we now all associate with guys in brown shirts, and I don't mean UPS. :p If it's true, there's a change I can live with. :p

Personally, I don't care if those four words are there or not. I no longer recite the pledge, I don't stand up for songs, or anything else like that. I admit it, I'm really not a very patriotic person. I don't plan on having kids, but if I ever did, they'd be just as free to do (or not do) the same things I do.. or they can be as wildly patriotic as they feel necessary. I sincerely doubt I'd ever just up and do what that guy did over the pledge. (and wasn't he not even very close to that kid to begin with?)

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #41 – April 13, 2005, 09:42:23 PM

Yeah he used the kid as an excuse but it turned out that he didn't even have legal custody of her.

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #42 – April 13, 2005, 10:47:08 PM

Quote from: Thunder Chicken

I've always wondered why minorities use the word "tolerance" anyway. I "tolerate" the little that lives next door to me, but I certainly do not like him. I "tolerate" people smoking around me, but I don't like it. To me, the word "tolerate", by definition, means "to not like something but to put up with it anyway", so the gays (again, only using them as an example) asking for tolerance seems kinda backwards to me. Their goal should be "acceptance". I accepted my friend when he told me he was gay (Who killed himself two years ago, and I just this moment realized that today would've been his 32nd birthday). I accept people talking a different language than I (unless they're pointing at me and giggling). I have no hatred for things I don't understand, so I don't "tolerate" them, I accept and try to understand them (I'd love to understand different languages). I accept other's cultures and traditions.

What I don't accept OR tolerate is people trying to change everyone's way of life to suit their own, such as athiests trying to remove "One nation under God" from the pledge of allegiance or Christmas from schools. And I am not religious in any way, shape or form. I just don't believe that one person with their knickers in a knot over having to look at a nativity scene should force everybody else to not have to look at it. I don't think the religious right should force thier views on others either, so it's a two-way street. The athiest can turn his head away from the nativity scene just as well as the religious zealot (to put this fire out before it starts, I do not consider all religious people "zealots", only those who pick and choose the parts of the bible to follow and then try to force those beliefs on everyone else) can turn his head and not look at the two gay guys getting married. Unfortunately we'll always have people who are not happy unless the world bows to them. As far as I'm concerned, if it does not affect me and there are no victims I have no reason to oppose it, and neither should anyone else.

The Sikh mountie I mentioned earlier was not trying to change anything for anybody else except himself. He was not asking that all mounties start wearing turbans, he was only asking that they allow him to. Nothing wrong with that. When somebody tries to stop a Christmas concert at an elementary school because they don't believe in God, well, that is wrong. Not because they don't believe in God - they are, after all, free to chose their religion. What is wrong is that they arte actively trying to stop people that DO believe in God from practicing their traditions. For pete's sake, if you don't want to see the concert, don't go to it! Just don't expect any support from me if you try to stop anyone else from going!

Well said TC!

I read a story about the flag salute also a while and saw some pictures of people in formation with arms extended. Gotta find that link because it was an interesting read. The four words "one nation under God" in the pledge were added in 1954 after a succesful campaign by the Knights of Columbus. I don't care if people say the words or not. I served in the US Army for six years so people would have the right to decide things like that for themselves.

Hey jkirchman, "je comprende un petit pous francais" - I just can't write it very well. I picked french over spanish in high school because there was this girl in class.......

I've been trying to learn Irish Gaelic, but I'm not sure how much more my liver can take.

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #43 – April 13, 2005, 10:53:52 PM

It's probably on RexCurry.net

EDIT: The funny thing is, I sent him a link to it in private, 'cause I thought posting the link here publicly might stir up too much trouble.. then you went and elaborated on things, so I filled in what I thought you were looking for. D'oh.

Re: Welcome to the 21st Century, WV!

Reply #44 – April 13, 2005, 11:00:25 PM

Never heard of that site but I'll check it out.