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My new dash panel......

Reply #45 –
Oppps
Your right,,, that fuse is kicked sideways so to speak.

Vinnie, that yellow wire is simply passing across one post of the yellow wire fuse holder.  If you zoom in on the fuse holder diagram, you see where the line passes through one post.  This means its basically hot with only the fuse link as protection.




But humm,, wait,,,
If the factory has no actual fuse,, then why bother fusing a start circuit that was never fused in the first place.

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Reply #46 –
Good question, Scott. Now ask all the insurance companies who have paid for Fords burned by faulty ignition switches the same question :hick: (actually, it's usually the grey/yellow stripe wire circuit that shorts, but it's protected by the same fusible link)

This is one of the reasons I rewired the ignition switch in my car (the grey/yellow wire circuit is now seperated into three circuits, two with their own relays, one 75A relay feeding the heater, one 30A relay feeding the turn signals, and the cluster circuit is left alone). I've had one switch and harness burn ('91 T-Bird) and two almost catch fire (87 Sport and 88 'Bird). I also rewired my headlights with relays because I don't like the headlight switch carrying the current. Ford sucked at wiring back then.
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #47 –
we also discussed this,
and since your saying the starter relay coil only draws 15% of an amp,, the push button should work without the relay since the amperage is low enough.

vinnie, i think this answers the unaswered question because id bet that push button is rated no less than 10A

you lost me here?>
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Quote from: Thunder Chicken;265600
Scott, those feeds you mentioned aren't fused. If you look at the EVTM the yellow wire feeds that 15A fuse, not the other way around. QUOTE][/COLOR][/B]

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Reply #48 –
So,if I use the relay,which I want to do,where do I go from here?I'm starting all over aren't I?
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #49 –
I knew this would be more confusing to me than I first realized.Two wires and I have no idea where they go.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #50 –
Vinnie, your fine,,

just wire up like in either picture.  Your pictures duplicate your existing start function.

I know you are dead set on using the relay and if thats what you want then drawing 1 is there to use.

If your interested in a better bang for your buck, get TC to layout a drawing that improves on the faults engineered to your existing start / run circuit.


either way, drawing 1 will work and drawing 2.

If you want fuse protection, just add it where your yellow wire taps are , perhaps using a circuit breaker fuse we talked about.
I cant believe that starter realy coil only draws that little of current, I was thinking atleast 5A (based on absolutly nothing but an assumption).  I would add fuse protection up at the yellow wire tap because this helps prevent damage.  Using the circuit breaker type fuse is great because it resets so you basically cant go wrong.

TC- unconfuss the man will ya:D  What he needs to see / hear is will the two above drawings work.
Also, what you have said on your posts are great points and a more indepth approach.

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Reply #51 –
O.K.,JCassity,,I'm going outside to hook it up like we decided last night on the phone.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #52 –
Apparently I'm not installing it today.There are TWO yellow wires,and I didn't want to take any chances until I know for sure which one to use for the red and yellow push to start harness wires.I almost took the car to the auto electric place for them to hook it up.I guess I just don't get all of the hows and whys and details as well as I understand which one,and where.

Crazy,I built my entire car from a salvaged,ready to crush car,and can't figure this BS out.Man I'm pissed.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #53 –
Did it come with instructions, or are there any schematics printed on it?
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #54 –
It came with instructions.

1.Red wire from relay to constant power (constant 12V in harness or directly to battery according to the instructions).

2.Yellow wire from relay to Ignition (12V when key is on)

3.White wire from relay to starter wire

4.Black wire from relay to connection on start button

5.second black wire from second connection on start button to chassis ground

jcassity took his time and patience to explain all this (much appreciation for that !!!),make a diagram,etc.,and apparently,over night,I lost all knowledge.I suppose I simply need to know what the hell wires to graft into,their colors,and where they are.

From what i think now,I know where the black wires go,easy enough.jcassity said that the yellow wire from the button relay goes to the second yellow wire on the igintion switch (second yellow wire being the one towards the middle).The white wire to the red wire with the blue stripe.He also said I could either hook the red wire (constant 12V) to the battery,or,tie it in with the button relay yellow wire to the yellow wire on the ignition switch in the column.I can't remember if it was the first or second yellow wire,but I think it was the second.I'd really rather ask a lot of dumb A$$ questions than fry anything.

Sorry for the confusion and continuation of all of this.It's simple stuff.....just not for me.....apparently.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #55 –
O.K. !!!! I talked to jcassity on the phone...again,and I do believe we have this all worked out.....I mean jcassity has it worked out,I'm just applying it to the Sport.

Man,I'm glad we have each other for help around here.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #56 –
Quote from: vinnietbird;265714


From what i think now,.


I can totally relate,, had it happen today.  I designed out a generator swap and hot slide of a 12kva UPS to our (to be installed) DC plant 50k Inverter,, forgot what the hell i did when I was doing it all paper last fall.  We cant drop the site or sevice but still transition all this shiznit.
customer wants the project, i gotta figure out what I did,so I can explain what to do to the installers.:D

98 project surveyed this year,, 44 active.  my head hurts.

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Reply #57 –
Vinnie, here is how to wire your starter button (I did not know until your PM that the switch came with a relay). Wiring it like this will allow the switch to only work when the ignition switch is in "RUN", like the manufacturer intended.
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #58 –
Thanks Chicken.Now,this causes me confusion.2 paths to follow,but I only need one.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #59 –
...and the one you need is in post #58 ;)
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣