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3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #15 –
Quote from: jcassity;184277
thats bs,, folk lore,,, bla bla bla.  Too much hoopla put into web sites and fraidy cats back in the day passing rumors about the "new" aluminum head causing all that. 

Boy, I sure wish I'd known it was BS, Hoopla and folk lore that left me stranded on that highway in -20 temps on the way to the Christmas party in my '91 T-Bird. What with all that steam and the fact that the #3 cylinder was full of coolant to the point of hydro-locking the engine, I'd have sworn it was a head gasket, but it appears I wasted my time and money replacing it, since it was just my imagination :hick:

That being said, I firmly believe the head gasket problem was mainly an SEFI thing. The earlier engines don't seem to suffer from the problem. The head was redesigned in '88. Head gaskets started popping en masse in '88. Coincidence?

I would love to build a twice-turbo'd split-port 4.2 and stuff it into a 4-eye 'Bird. All of that real estate in front of the engine is just BEGGING for a pair of turbos. Unfortunately the aftermarket has not really responded well to the 3.8, but we're used to that - the aftermarket hasn't responded to our cars in general...
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #16 –
My first '84 3.8 had no head gasket issues until well after I sold it (sold @ 123K miles, HG's at around 150K miles). The current '84 blew the head gaskets somewhere around 105-106K. Actually the HG's on the current car weren't that bad...they didn't completely blow open but were really wrinkled up. The heads themselves cracked in a major way, which of course led to the HG warpage. Anyhow, in both cases the cars/engines were babied, since I know the history of both cars. It's not a matter of "if" the HG's are going to  the bed...it's a matter of "when".

The 1982-83 heads were for carbs (U.S.). Then 1984-87 were for CFI. Then the major redesign in 1988 for the EFI. I don't think even the valve covers interchange between all those heads. They were all completely unique designs that cannot really be mixed-or-matched; the shapes and ports are all different.

Even the 3.8 SC motors have their issues. I know SC guys that blow through HG's just like the N/A V6 guys. I do like the SC block design, and provided that quality HG's are used and head studs are installed, I think even an N/A SC block (like those found on 1994-2004 Mustang V6's) would probably withstand a lot of pressure from forced induction. Coupled with the SC heads...that's a very slick combo that can be assembled from relatively common cars/parts, and probably not for must cash either.

Of all my experience with the Ford 3.8 engine I'd have to say that, for some reason, I do feel more confortable with the CFI motors as far as the HG's are concerned. It seems like they do go a lot longer with the stock HG's. However...it's going to be different with every single car (YMMV) so there's really no pattern, no rhyme or reason. It's all a  shoot. Flip a coin. ;)

3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #17 –
Did that get off track from the original question or is it just me?
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Reply #18 –
i am building a v6 with cfi system with massive amounts of performance. so they cant be that bad of a motor.
84 el camino ss-daily driver(efi mild sbc,2004r, posi 3:42 rear.)
84 mercury cougar v6- was a v6/ nitrous drag car, going back to mostly stock
81 chevy malibu-protouring/  drag car.( efi sbc supercharged 283 that will rev to the moon, 2004r, 4:11 posi rear)

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Reply #19 –
ok-- now i'm intrigued by massive amounts of performance from a v6
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5.0 HO 306 roller block, machined GT-40P heads, Wiseco dished forged pistons, Eagle forged floating I-beam connecting rods, Lunati pushrods, ARP bolts, Scorpion aluminum 1.6 rockers, Comp Cams Magnum 266HR, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, MAF Conversion, 19# injectors, Ford Racing stainless P-headers, 2-1/2" cat-less exhaust w/ Flowtech Afterburner lers , SC AOD with 2800 BDR torque converter, 3.73 T-Lok rear, CHE rear control arms, full 2-1/2" frame w/1" jacking rails & seat supports, Rear disk brakes, Turbine wheels, All original interior w/ floor shift upgrade .......
Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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Reply #20 –
Go to 3.8mustang.com  There are a lot of guys that have power-adders on there motor's.  Granted, they have regular EFI, but I'm guessing that most of their stuff would work with just a little bit of re-wiring.

3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #21 –
Quote from: blackcougar71;184436
i am building a v6 with cfi system with massive amounts of performance. so they cant be that bad of a motor.

Quantify "massive" amounts for me please.

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Reply #22 –
Look under his user name. "Project 900 horsepower V6". Either he's joking or he's building a Buick :hick:
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #23 –
Yeah, I saw that and when I ran the numbers to size 2 injectors for 900 hp, I fell out of my chair.  :p

3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #24 –
i am not joking and yes its a ford cfi v6 just with alot of mystery,and  i cant tell your guys what i am doing to that motor till its done. so there wont be any copy-cats. under my username it says 900hp but the real number is over a 1000 thats my plan.
84 el camino ss-daily driver(efi mild sbc,2004r, posi 3:42 rear.)
84 mercury cougar v6- was a v6/ nitrous drag car, going back to mostly stock
81 chevy malibu-protouring/  drag car.( efi sbc supercharged 283 that will rev to the moon, 2004r, 4:11 posi rear)

3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #25 –
Quote from: daminc;184445
ok-- now i'm intrigued by massive amounts of performance from a v6


so am i,, as the avitar says ,,,,>>900 hp v6.

Im sure its possible but just long enough for it to explode in the first 10 seconds.

ok,,ill ask.

How did you get past the block design with it likey splitting????

3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #26 –
Quote from: blackcougar71;184593
i am not joking and yes its a ford cfi v6 just with alot of mystery,and  i cant tell your guys what i am doing to that motor till its done. so there wont be any copy-cats. under my username it says 900hp but the real number is over a 1000 thats my plan.


horsepower is like leverage,, i guess it just matters where you measure it from:shakeass:

please,, can i have some of what your smoking?  pass it around.

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Reply #27 –
I've got to be the most die-hard V-6 guy around, and if I'm not, I'm in the top five.  Check out my cardomain page for the little bit I've done. 

Chris
"I put my foot in my tank and I began to roll." Chuck Berry

3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #28 –
Quote from: Chris1987LX;185783
I've got to be the most die-hard V-6 guy around, and if I'm not, I'm in the top five.  Check out my cardomain page for the little bit I've done. 

Chris


i agree, how you been btw?

I was re-stewing the 3.8L SC with the 4.2 innerds today while on the road.  Combine it with mega squirt and all.

3.8 V-6 (can Anything Be Done!!!!!)

Reply #29 –
All is well. Took the Celica to Watkins Glen in September. Had a blast taking her onto the track.

My next V-6 will sport Wiseco forged postions, Pauter forged connecting rods, a competition head job, and maybe 60-90 overbore on the block. It's all in my head right now, but I can see it all now.

Chris
"I put my foot in my tank and I began to roll." Chuck Berry