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sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #45 –
aperantly theres been a few of these done

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1313196676

and this is def a bowtie powered vechial id have no problem driving
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=970960338
RIP 1988 and 1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
I welcomed the dark side and currently am driving a 2000 Dodge Durango SLT plus, with a 5.9, Code named project "Night Runner"
Shes black on black, fully loaded, with headers, 180 tstat, e fan, straight exhaust into a cherry bomb vortex ler, full tune up, ported intake and T/B, MSD coil, and round aircleaner.
Mods to come: Fully rebuilt and heavily modded 46RE, and a richmond rachet locker.
my $300 beater ;)
R.I.P Kayleigh Raposa 12/18/90 - 2/24/07

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #46 –
Quote from: thunderblue;118794
Yeah, Anybody can build a chevy, It takes a real man to build a Ford!


This thread is getting more and more rediculous.

I guess spending more money on parts to make less power makes you manly.
It's Gumby's fault.

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #47 –
well if u want a chevy i want ur t bird lol
RIP 1988 and 1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
I welcomed the dark side and currently am driving a 2000 Dodge Durango SLT plus, with a 5.9, Code named project "Night Runner"
Shes black on black, fully loaded, with headers, 180 tstat, e fan, straight exhaust into a cherry bomb vortex ler, full tune up, ported intake and T/B, MSD coil, and round aircleaner.
Mods to come: Fully rebuilt and heavily modded 46RE, and a richmond rachet locker.
my $300 beater ;)
R.I.P Kayleigh Raposa 12/18/90 - 2/24/07

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #48 –
Heck, maybe I WILL put the 345 IH in my 88.
1987 TC

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Tbird232ci;119177
This thread is getting more and more rediculous.

You've been noticing this trend lately too?

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #50 –
I like the idea of keeping a Ford engine in a Ford.

However......I've often thought that a late model Chevy LS6 crate motor sitting under the hood of a Fox Mustang or T-Bird would make for one hell of a fun car. An LS7 would be even better.

 Ford guys can knock Chevy all you want but there's no denying how good those two engines are. I drove a 2002 Z06 Vette for an hour once (LS6 engine....402 HP) and absolutely loved that powerplant. All I kept thinking to myself was "Why can't Ford build a sweet pushrod V8 that pulls like this thing" That thing pulled hard from 1200 rpm right up to 6800 rpm.

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #51 –
Quote from: daboss351;119189
well if u want a chevy i want ur t bird lol

You wouldnt be able to afford it.
It's Gumby's fault.

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Tbird232ci
I guess spending more money on parts to make less power makes you manly.


No it makes someone stubborn....

Where do you get the notion that a Chevy will always make more power than a Ford though?  You'd have to compare similar engine sizes i.e 302 to 305 and 351 to 350 and 454 to 460 etc.

Even then there are exceptions......

Also what's harder about building up a Ford as opposed to a Chevy?  More expensive?  Yeah, usually.  I'll go with that, but physically more difficult?  NO. 

I stick with Ford powerplants because I myself have had better luck with them and they have been more reliable to me.  Others may have had a Ford when they were young that was a total disaster and therefore are now partial to GM cars for weekend toys.  I don't really like the idea of dropping a GM motor in a Ford.  It's unoriginal and been done a million times, but it's not that hard to do and parts are cheap (just like the build quality of GM motors in the 70's and early 80's IMHO)

BTW even if it had a side oiler 427, that car would still be ugly.......
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #53 –
Whatever happened to the "Cammer" crate engine? 
Quote
All I kept thinking to myself was "Why can't Ford build a sweet pushrod V8 that pulls like this thing" That thing pulled hard from 1200 rpm right up to 6800 rpm.
1987 TC

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #54 –
how much u got in ur bird?
RIP 1988 and 1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
I welcomed the dark side and currently am driving a 2000 Dodge Durango SLT plus, with a 5.9, Code named project "Night Runner"
Shes black on black, fully loaded, with headers, 180 tstat, e fan, straight exhaust into a cherry bomb vortex ler, full tune up, ported intake and T/B, MSD coil, and round aircleaner.
Mods to come: Fully rebuilt and heavily modded 46RE, and a richmond rachet locker.
my $300 beater ;)
R.I.P Kayleigh Raposa 12/18/90 - 2/24/07

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #55 –
Quote from: HAVI;119324
Whatever happened to the "Cammer" crate engine?

It's sold through Ford Racing.

And even though it makes good HP, it's just like all the 4.6 mod motors.....it's soft down low torque wise which is one of the primary reasons I'm not a fan of them.

Quote from: daboss351;119384
how much u got in ur bird?

Who?

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Paul Flockhart;119317
Where do you get the notion that a Chevy will always make more power than a Ford though?  You'd have to compare similar engine sizes i.e 302 to 305 and 351 to 350 and 454 to 460 etc.

Size means nothing. The 305 wasnt meant to be a powerful engine, it was just like our standard output 5.0s. If you want to make the compairison between SO 302 and 305, chevy comes out on top. Then with bolt ons, leaving stock heads, intake, cam, etc, chevy still comes out on top. My buddy has run 14.30's with headers back exhaust, cold air, roller rockers, gears, and a 5-speed in his 88 firebird. You couldnt get an SO to do that unless you go with an HO conversion.

Pull out the HO 302, and bring it out to a 350, with basic bolt ons, yes, the HO will make more power, because it has a much better designed head, and better designed fuel injection, if we're compairing the Tuned Port Injection. The TPI system was better suited for the 305, yet Chevy stuck it on their 350, and even still, it made more power than the 302, more because of head design rather than cubes.

When you get to REAL mods, the 350 shines. My friend who has the 305 also has a 90 T/A clone for his race car. Its a 383 stroker, with cleaned up AFR heads, a baby cam, edelbrock RPM air gap intake manifold, holley 650 thats been warmed over, headers back exhaust, gears, TH400 and a converter. Before the carb work, on the engine dyno, it made 436 horsepower, in the car, it runs 11.60's.

You can build a 347, and do most of the same mods, but they need much more head work to make 400+, you can take a 351, same thing, and you can stroke a 351, and itll still take more work to make that power. Most heads out of the box dont allow these to breath that power N/A.

Then you can bring up the strength. You can get yourself 4 bolt main 350's from the junkyard! Find me a 302 with a 4 bolt main in a junkyard, and youll have a one-of-a-kind.

Im not trying to say im putting a Chevy engine in my Ford, or that i enjoy seeing a Chevy engine in a Ford, Im saying that its a very good idea for someone who wants nothing more than performance. If i cared about only going fast, id have a F-body. And even still, i want an 86-90 firebird.

Quote from: daboss351
how much u got in ur bird?
Just the larger items, about 4000. Thats all mods, not repairs. Thats also not counting parts ive bought that i couldnt use, or all the small trial-and-error parts. You want to get into repairs, ive got probably another 600 there.
It's Gumby's fault.

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Tbird232ci;119450
Size means nothing. The 305 wasnt meant to be a powerful engine, it was just like our standard output 5.0s. If you want to make the compairison between SO 302 and 305, chevy comes out on top. Then with bolt ons, leaving stock heads, intake, cam, etc, chevy still comes out on top. My buddy has run 14.30's with headers back exhaust, cold air, roller rockers, gears, and a 5-speed in his 88 firebird. You couldnt get an SO to do that unless you go with an HO conversion.


There was also many different versions of the 305. For example, my old '84 Z28 had a L69 5.0 H.O. rated at 190hp. The same model year had a LG4 which was only rated at 145hp. And trust me, you can crank up a 305 and get some good power out of them. Mine had a weiand intake, carter 4bbl, comp cam, and headers on an otherwise stock engine with 60k on it and that thing would lay rubber and get sideways in 4th gear. In '88 the TPI 305's (LB9)were rated at 195hp with an auto and 220hp with a 5-speed so comparing that to a SO 5.0 isn't a fair comparison. Now on the other hand there was a TBI 305 (LO3) that was rated at 170hp that would be a little more comparable to the SO 5.0
http://www.thirdgen.org/tech-data
GT40p 5.0 w/ vortech @ 9.5psi, 400rwhp

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #58 –
Quote from: 86elan;119527
There was also many different versions of the 305. For example, my old '84 Z28 had a L69 5.0 H.O. rated at 190hp. The same model year had a LG4 which was only rated at 145hp. And trust me, you can crank up a 305 and get some good power out of them. Mine had a weiand intake, carter 4bbl, comp cam, and headers on an otherwise stock engine with 60k on it and that thing would lay rubber and get sideways in 4th gear. In '88 the TPI 305's (LB9)were rated at 195hp with an auto and 220hp with a 5-speed so comparing that to a SO 5.0 isn't a fair comparison. Now on the other hand there was a TBI 305 (LO3) that was rated at 170hp that would be a little more comparable to the SO 5.0
http://www.thirdgen.org/tech-data

There is a problem with following these ratings. Ive seen 3 different sources, showing 3 different horsepower ratings. Some varying as much as 30 horsepower.

Saying the LB9 made 220 horsepower with a 5-speed is BS. My buddy with the LB9 and 5-speed ran 14.30's with all the external bolt ons minus a throttle body, and under drive pulleys, where as a 5.0 mustang can hit those times with a full exhaust, and contrary to most peoples believe, a f-body doesnt weigh much more than a fox body. Theyre geared almost the same, the transmission gearing is very similar, the weight is similar, and if the power was the same, theyd run similar times.
It's Gumby's fault.

sigh, T-bird 350 :(

Reply #59 –
305's FTW
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