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Reply #45 – August 19, 2007, 11:40:05 PM

Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;170495

If he[Brent] thought the spoiler was NOT an 87 unit, he should have mentioned it right away. That's not a blame, that's just an opinion.

im tired of readin this over and over.
if you look at the time stamps, Brent asked for the part number nearly 12 hours before you posted it pending or sold. and yet YOU waited DAYS to make a reply and had to be asked repeatedly before posting an answer.

its NOT Brent's responsibility to fact check you.

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Reply #46 – August 19, 2007, 11:46:40 PM

Quote from: gumby;170499

im tired of readin this over and over.
if you look at the time stamps, Brent asked for the part number nearly 12 hours before you posted it pending or sold. and yet YOU waited DAYS to make a reply and had to be asked repeatedly before posting an answer.

its NOT Brent's responsibility to fact check you.

Oh for the love of...

Let me spell it out...

I AM NOT BLAMING BRENT!!!!!!!!

If we are clear on that, my opinion is that if he had a doubt, I would have preferred that he had started with, "Hey, I don't think that's right". He still managed to provide evidence and clues, and I trust his judgment if he feels it's an 83-86. The spoiler is already shipped and gone. If it was still here I could have mounted to John's 84 and then to one of the 3 87-88 Birds laying around or maybe even found somebody around with an 83-86 one and compared.

It is what it is. It's still an NOS FMS spoiler, it still fit over the 1/4's on an 87/88, and I was going off the best knowledge I had at the time.

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Reply #47 – August 19, 2007, 11:52:55 PM

Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;170461

The sway bar was the same, the springs were the same, and the thing LOOKED like an 8.8. Matt couldn't tell either. I've only owned 3-4 NON-TC's so I wouldn't know a 7.5 if it bit me in the ass. We verified that it was not the original rear (or did not match the door tag at the very least) before the sale was made. Once Matt figured out it was a 7.5 I made it right. I *never* claimed to be smart in Sport/V8/non-TC's.

You didn't need to recognize a 7.5", you only needed to recognize that it wasn't an 8.8, which should have been easy to somebody that's had a bunch. Coulda been a Chevy 10-bolt or a Chrysler 8-3/4 for all I care - if it didn't look like an 8.8 it isn't an 8.8.

I might not be able to pick an AMC 304 out of a line of engines, but I'd certainly know something was different if I opened the hood of a T-Bird and found one there instead of the 5.0 I'm used to seeing. Similarly, if you opened the hood of a Turbo Coupe and found anything other than a Ford 2.3 SOHC turbo engine you'd know it. You might not immediately know what the strange engine is, but you'd know it isn't a 2.3 SOHC turbo.

I've only ever owned one T-Bird 8.8" and I could easily tell it from the 7.5" I took out. Conversely, I've owned six foxes with 7.5" rears (including an '87 Sport) and would easily tell when looking under the car that the rear end I was looking at isn't like the rear ends I'm used to looking at. The 7.5" almost looks "cute" when compared to the 8.8". The sway bar, springs, control arms, etc might look the same because they ARE the same. The differential, that big roundish thing in the middle, is what's different and is also what makes an 8.8" rear an 8.8" rear (actually I believe the tubes are bigger on the 8.8 too, but that'd be easy to miss), and there is really no mistaking the two. Aside from the obvious (the 8.8" is much bigger) it also has a completely differently shaped differential cover (the 8.8" is almost "squarish" while the 7.5" is round with squashed top and bottom).

Actually, now that I think of it, since I did that rear end swap I currently own three - one in the F-150, one in the Town Car, and one in the T-Bird. All three 8.8" rears I have now have completely different ends and axle tube lengths for different applications (one set up for leaf springs, one for air springs, one for no springs because they sit on the control arms), but the center sections are identical.

The fact that Matt could not tell only serves to prove my point that the seller should know what he is selling. Had Matt not figured it out and installed that rear, then two years from now somebody that knew better got under the car and pointed out to him that it was a 7.5", what would you have done in 2009 when he messaged you and told you that you sold him a bum rear? Matt is not the perceived "expert", and it isn't his job to be. You've got a business based purely on selling parts and components for these cars. One would expect that you'd be able to identify a simple rear end...

Again, it's not an unreasonable or particularly complicated request: In future please, everybody, do what you should have been doing all along: Make sure the claims you make when selling things are accurate. It's the honest thing to do, and it's just plain good business practice. Unhappy customers are not repeat customers, nor do they guide other potential customers your way.

I should also point out at this point that many potential customers depend on others' experiences before buying from somebody the first time. Most can overlook a simple honest mistake, but ALL will be looking at how the vendor handles those complaints. Denial and blame-tossing will turn people off. Continuing denial and last-gasp blame tossing (including trying to offload some of the blame to the customer) is even worse. Simple as that.

Unhappy customers also tend to blame the sale-gone-bad on the forum that initiated the sale (why do you think so many people hate eBay, even though eBay is not responsible for their getting ripped off?), and they tend to complain to the people that run those sites. That's where I come into this. I'm simply tired of fielding complaints, and am like this close >.< to snapping entirely. This very thread is getting dangerously close to pushing me over the edge. It is going to happen, and when it does happen there will be a miserable user or two, I can guarantee it.

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Reply #48 – August 20, 2007, 12:08:56 AM

I had a bad selling time a couple of years ago,all is good now.I do think we should perhaps have a few "laws" for the forum,that,if broken,have some kind of probation/punishment as a result of continued complaints,deals not followed through with,misrepresentation,etc.Nothing towards you Mike.I personally haven't had a bad incident with you at all.But overall,for everyone's "selling and buying,safety",we should implement something.Perhaps a warning (easy enough),then a decided period of no selling on the forum,then banned.Just a thought.

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Reply #49 – August 20, 2007, 07:29:37 AM

Quote from: vinnietbird;170517

But overall,for everyone's "selling and buying,safety",we should implement something.Perhaps a warning (easy enough),then a decided period of no selling on the forum,then banned.Just a thought.

Oh, there already is something like that in place....just unofficially.

It would be easier if there was some more formality to it though.

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Reply #50 – August 20, 2007, 07:50:43 AM

That's what I was talking about,More "formal" rules.More motivation to do transactions "right".

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Reply #51 – August 20, 2007, 08:22:27 AM

If people need "motivation" to do transactions right...they shouldn't be selling/buying in the first place. It should be a given.

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Reply #52 – August 20, 2007, 11:14:33 AM

Quote from: Chuck W;170568

If people need "motivation" to do transactions right...they shouldn't be selling/buying in the first place. It should be a given.

That's exactly what I was trying to say.

holy , I agree with Chuck!LOL:D

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Reply #53 – August 20, 2007, 01:35:23 PM

Time to put this post to rest. Everyone makes mistakes; especially in selling used parts. The real test is how the customer is treated when the mistake is found. My policy is just return it for a full refund. If it was my mistake I pay the shipping back, if it was the customer's I give the refund less shipping both ways. Or in some cases I just try to let them keep the part with a partial refund.

Good communication is all it takes and I think that Mike does an excellent job with this. If this was not true it would not be on the forum for all to read. I would not be afraid to deal with Mike, Aerobird Motorsports, on any transaction.

I purchased an 8.8 rear to put in a 85 Cutlass once. I took out the old rear, cut off the Cutlass brackets, welded them on the 8.8 rear, got it to fit. Then I pulled the axles to have them re-drilled to the GM bolt pattern. When I pulled the rear cover I said to myself "this does not look like a 8.8 inch ring gear". It was not, it was a 7.5. In the s pile it went, I felt stupid.

Now I can tell the difference between a 7.5 and 8.8 a mile away and I bet that Mike can also. Making a big Boo Boo is a great learning tool. The cover on an 8.8 is almost square.

Try telling the parts apart for the 71-78 Cadillac Eldorados, lot of changes here.

TED

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Reply #54 – August 20, 2007, 01:37:13 PM

I agree, this thread going this far is ****ing retarded. Its by far the stupidest thread that has ever come across this forum.

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Reply #55 – August 20, 2007, 01:40:08 PM

*pushes the "Close" button"